Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[Flosshilde]

Yes, I was pointing out that if the aim is to EXTEND the music performed, there are several ways to do it, including a boost for chamber music.

Yes, there are several ways to do it, & this concert is one of them. The introduction of the Cadogan Hall concerts a while ago did it, although they have been ghetoised - obviously not worthy of a prime-time slot. The concert under discussion has also been ghetoised (along with other non-core musice) in a late evening slot. Kept away from real music.

[Flosshilde]

You've wrenched that out of context, haven't you And excluded other relevant comments on the point that was being answered. Heigh-ho.

No, the quote hasn't been wrenched out of anything; that was your complete post. Its context is the thread and the discussion, which my response, and this one, is part of. If anyone wants to see what went before your post it's quite easy to do so by tracing it back.

[french frank]

No, the quote hasn't been wrenched out of anything; that was your complete post.

Oh, dear. The context was the sequence of posts. I was replying to Stunworth who was responding to Eine Alpensinfonie without any suggestion that this was restricted to the Proms (as in, one 'popular' Prom = one classical Prom fewer). It was the general point (about the BBC in particular) that popular music was beginning to pop up everywhere, whereas coverage of classical music was diminishing. Examples given at some point were the BBC Music Day where television's 'home of classical music' had popular music all evening, and the televising of the Proms where BBC Two was now restricting its coverage to the first and last nights. So it is possible for the broad range of music to expand while at the same time a particular kind of music is reduced.

[teamsaint]

the "hysteria" surrounding this concert seems to be coming from those who are in favour, or have a vested interest in it.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

the "hysteria" surrounding this concert seems to be coming from those who are in favour, or have a vested interest in it.

But have you noticed that we're falling for it by getting in a tizzy over it ourselves.

[teamsaint]

But have you noticed that we're falling for it by getting in a tizzy over it ourselves.

about the concert?not me.

but I do object to being treated like an idiot by people who are getting paid out of money that I pay in.

[Bryn]

I have to admit I am quite unfamiliar with the genre, so am rather looking forward to hearing what it has to say for itself. Nearest thing I am familiar with is Cinematic Orchestra, and that only because I much admire the playing of saxist Tom Chant. How close is that the the genre in question?

[Beef Oven!]

But have you noticed that we're falling for it by getting in a tizzy over it ourselves.

Speak for yourself.

[Bax-of-Delights]

I have been reading this thread with interest.

I caught Ms Klein in conversation with somebody yesterday on "In Tune" in which I got the distinct impression she was trying to "big up" the Ibiza concert and simultaneously attack anyone who might criticise the inclusion. There was a distinct whiff of "straw man" syndrome where she was arguing for a point of view that no-one (to my knowledge) had opposed. My conclusion is that Ms Klein is "on song" and "on message" with the BBC's "inclusivity" thrust. One only has to view the incessant TV ads for the BBC's output which tells us the BBC is "for all of us", "for life".
Hmmmm...

I have had a long interest in the classical repertoire - stretching over some 55 years (that is a difficult figure to compute internally as I still "feel" 25!) - but as a child of the 50's and a teenager of the 60's my musical interests also encompass such music as Soft Machine, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones etc etc.

I have NEVER, EVER thought that the BBC Proms would ever be an appropriate outlet for anything other than the classical repertoire that I love. I travelled to the Southampton Gaumont, the Brighton Dome, the Hammersmith Odeon to enjoy Blue Oyster Cult, Be-Bop Deluxe and Gentle Giant (and I shall nip over to Sheffield Park in September to listen to Three Friends - original members of Gentle Giant performing to a small and select audience). Why on earth would I want to try and make my musical choices be "inclusive" to what Ms Klein believes is necessary? My musical taste has absolutely nothing to do with the BBC's "inclusivity" prosess.

[MrGongGong]

How about we have some of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PblCqNxincU

[Beef Oven!]

How about we have some of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PblCqNxincU

All about creating an audience for modern music and being true to the spirit of the early Proms.

[Flosshilde]

Oh, dear. The context was the sequence of posts. I was replying to Stunworth who was responding to Eine Alpensinfonie without any suggestion that this was restricted to the Proms (as in, one 'popular' Prom = one classical Prom fewer). It was the general point (about the BBC in particular) that popular music was beginning to pop up everywhere, whereas coverage of classical music was diminishing. Examples given at some point were the BBC Music Day where television's 'home of classical music' had popular music all evening, and the televising of the Proms where BBC Two was now restricting its coverage to the first and last nights. So it is possible for the broad range of music to expand while at the same time a particular kind of music is reduced.

Originally Posted by Eine Alpensinfonie
For years, R3 has been hell-bent on reducing the range of its music by sticking to what it thinks people will like - i.e. dumbing down. This is almost certainly no different.


Quote Originally Posted by Stunsworth
I thought what was under discussion was the unacceptable (to some) broadening of the range of music?

The comments your post about wine was responding to. It's still a ridiculous analogy.

[Beef Oven!]

Originally Posted by Eine Alpensinfonie
For years, R3 has been hell-bent on reducing the range of its music by sticking to what it thinks people will like - i.e. dumbing down. This is almost certainly no different.


Quote Originally Posted by Stunsworth
I thought what was under discussion was the unacceptable (to some) broadening of the range of music?

The comments your post about wine was responding to. It's still a ridiculous analogy.

Get over it, you're worse than me!

[waldo]

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[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Get over it, you're worse than me!

a) re the first bit - I've no intention of "getting over it";
b) re the second bit - that's not possible.