Prom 14: Prokofiev piano concertos (28.07.15)

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  • edashtav
    Full Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 3673

    #61
    Of the reviews that I've encountered so far, I find this one by Mark Pullinger to be the most useful and thought-provoking:

    What on paper might have looked like a circus act – wheeling out three pianists to plough through Prokofiev’s five piano concertos – turned out to be a fascinating opportunity to compare and contrast.

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26577

      #62
      Originally posted by edashtav View Post
      Of the reviews that I've encountered so far, I find this one by Mark Pullinger to be the most useful and thought-provoking:

      http://bachtrack.com/review-prom-14-...-lso-july-2015
      Yes good stuff as ever from our Grand Inquisitor!

      (Where is IGI by the way? Haven't seen a post lately. Too busy travelling the world to concerts'n'operas and penning stimulating reviews, one suspects!)
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • antongould
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8838

        #63
        Have followed the suggested route of listening via iplayer and just heard No.2 which I didn't know and found quite wonderful - in fact I think the whole Prom is a wizard idea ....

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        • maestro267
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 355

          #64
          Thoroughly enjoyed this Prom on Tuesday. A fine opportunity to totally immerse oneself in the sound world of a single composer in a single form, and follow said composer's progress through that sound world.

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          • Sir Velo
            Full Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 3269

            #65
            A very different take from the usual encomiums from the pen of The Torygraph's esteemed critic, Ivan Hewett.

            For once, the comments as well are worth reading, particularly the witty little parody of Hewett's own writing!

            I must confess my own partial sympathy with the beleaguered critic. 3 is an out and out masterpiece; 1 and 2 have their moments; but 4 and 5 would have been better left to another night (or season, for that matter).

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            • edashtav
              Full Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 3673

              #66
              Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
              A very different take from the usual encomiums from the pen of The Torygraph's esteemed critic, Ivan Hewett.

              For once, the comments as well are worth reading, particularly the witty little parody of Hewett's own writing!
              Many thanks for pointing us in the direction of comments on Ivan Hewett's review. They are entertaining and interesting. Both in conception and execution, this Prokofiev concert has caused a wide spectrum of response .

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26577

                #67
                Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                For once, the comments as well are worth reading, particularly the witty little parody of Hewett's own writing!


                Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                I must confess my own partial sympathy with the beleaguered critic. 3 is an out and out masterpiece; 1 and 2 have their moments; but 4 and 5 would have been better left to another night (or season, for that matter).
                I echo that confession. I'd have been a very bad person to review this concert, and for similar reasons. Which makes some of the criticism of the Hewitt item as a review of the performances hold some water, I think.
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • Zucchini
                  Guest
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 917

                  #68
                  The Times gave ***. (I only quote because online it's subscription only).

                  "The cumulative effect was of watching a fireworks display: noisy, spectacular and empty"

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                  • edashtav
                    Full Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 3673

                    #69
                    The New York Times report may be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/ar...rtos.html?_r=0

                    It's probably the most enthusiastic of the printed reviews. This is their critic, David Allen at his most ecstatic:

                    "...Tuesday’s Prom was a triumph. The program looked daft but interesting: one orchestra, one conductor, three pianists, all five of Prokofiev’s piano concertos.”

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                    • Il Grande Inquisitor
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 961

                      #70
                      Originally posted by edashtav View Post
                      Of the reviews that I've encountered so far, I find this one by Mark Pullinger to be the most useful and thought-provoking:

                      http://bachtrack.com/review-prom-14-...-lso-july-2015
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      Yes good stuff as ever from our Grand Inquisitor!

                      (Where is IGI by the way? Haven't seen a post lately. Too busy travelling the world to concerts'n'operas and penning stimulating reviews, one suspects!)
                      Thank you, both. I have indeed been so busy reviewing that my FoR3 presence has been somewhat diminished... even when not reviewing, I'm usually out somewhere. For example, this week I was also at the Proms on Wednesday (accompanying my Parisian reviewer) and at Turgenyev's A Month in the Country on Thursday. And this is "the quiet season"!
                      Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....

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                      • Simon B
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 782

                        #71
                        Hewett's Review in summary:

                        Bloke who doesn't much like Prokofiev piano concertos goes to concert comprising nothing else. Doesn't enjoy the experience much. In other news, bears etc...

                        Clearly this concert was a stupid idea for people in the above category. Fortunately most such people wouldn't have been dumb or masochistic enough to fork out for a ticket and rock up.

                        Andrew Clements does this as well. Reviews a piece (e.g. the RVW Sea Symphony) he doesn't think much of and then proceeds to tell us he didn't think much of it.

                        Since insight of this quality seems to qualify as a useful contribution I might as well start writing reviews of (insert title of anything by) Mozart detailing how the problem was that, as usual, I snapped to about halfway through to realise I'd spent the last 10 minutes contemplating methods for the removal of ear wax or solving differential equations in my head to alleviate the boredom. Then charge for it.

                        What's the point?

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37886

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Simon B View Post
                          Hewett's Review in summary:

                          Bloke who doesn't much like Prokofiev piano concertos goes to concert comprising nothing else. Doesn't enjoy the experience much. In other news, bears etc...

                          Clearly this concert was a stupid idea for people in the above category. Fortunately most such people wouldn't have been dumb or masochistic enough to fork out for a ticket and rock up.

                          Andrew Clements does this as well. Reviews a piece (e.g. the RVW Sea Symphony) he doesn't think much of and then proceeds to tell us he didn't think much of it.

                          Since insight of this quality seems to qualify as a useful contribution I might as well start writing reviews of (insert title of anything by) Mozart detailing how the problem was that, as usual, I snapped to about halfway through to realise I'd spent the last 10 minutes contemplating methods for the removal of ear wax or solving differential equations in my head to alleviate the boredom. Then charge for it.

                          What's the point?
                          I've always said I would rather not write up a concert or CD not to my liking than diss it, as opposed to hand over to someone sympathetic; the problem can arise when what one went to in highest expectations turns out to be duff. What does the reviewer then do? Write what he really thinks, or leave his journal in the lurch?

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                          • Simon B
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 782

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            the problem can arise when what one went to in highest expectations turns out to be duff. What does the reviewer then do? Write what he really thinks, or leave his journal in the lurch?
                            Surely this is much closer to the point of the exercise? If it's a sincere response, especially one which can be expressed in enumerated specifics, that's useful information. The reader can still choose to ignore it or infer a different conclusion from the specifics ("the trombones were too loud at x" - not possible ).

                            Reviewing something you know you're out of sympathy with a priori is surely pointless. The exception might be if an a posteriori damascene conversion occurs due to a particular performance or situation. Obviously, no-one can be booked in advance to do such a review!

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                            • BBMmk2
                              Late Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20908

                              #74
                              Managed the first half, going to hear these complete!
                              Don’t cry for me
                              I go where music was born

                              J S Bach 1685-1750

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