Applause....I know, I know..........

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Feeling strong about something doesn't make it a serious issue.

Let's not get into semantics or degrees of seriousness.

MrGG was trying to be funny by trivialising and disrupting the discussion. That was the point.

[MrGongGong]

This isn't reasoned argument. It's

It's a "serious" (but slightly exasperated) point about context

The sky isn't falling in, is it?

[MrGongGong]

Let's not get into semantics or degrees of seriousness.

MrGG was trying to be funny by trivialising and disrupting the discussion. That was the point.

It's not a "discussion" though is it?

It's just the usual folks complaining about the existence of other people at what they see as THEIR Proms

Nail your rules to the door of the Albert Hall if you like

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The sky isn't falling in, is it?

That's scientifically impossible.

[Beef Oven!]

Let's not get into semantics or degrees of seriousness.

MrGG was trying to be funny by trivialising and disrupting the discussion. That was the point.

If that was the point, say so............Why say this, then? "Not only do these thoughtless clappers affect others in the RAH, but, more significantly, annoy thousands of listeners on Radio 3."

[Flosshilde]

When you're making a selection of medieval chansons for your concert, you'll have an idea of how many will constitute a performance of suitable length. Most of them will last but a few minutes each.

If people then insist on clapping after each one, you can calculate the effect this will have on the length of the programme.

There's probably a nice formula that would go with Mr GG's diagrams.

If you are lazy, you may note with satisfaction that you can get away with only an hour or so of actual music.

But you could miscalculate & find yourself finishing rather earlier than you thought, in which case you would have to have plenty of encores ready, or be prepared to meet your disgruntled (& unimpressed) audience in the bar.

(You might have worked out that I wasn't being entirely serious.)

Aren't you always? ;-)

[Flosshilde]

Let's not get into semantics or degrees of seriousness.

MrGG was trying to be funny by trivialising and disrupting the discussion. That was the point.

No, he was joining in a trivial discussion, one that is as much an annual ritual as the Proms themselves. A discussion that needs as much lightening up as, perhaps, some of its participants.

[MrGongGong]

No, he was joining in a trivial discussion, one that is as much an annual ritual as the Proms themselves. A discussion that needs as much lightening up as, perhaps, some of its participants.

[P. G. Tipps]

I really (honestly!) don't understand this objection to clapping between movements. After all, no music is being played so why on earth not clap and show appreciation?

Much more irritating to me (and I suspect many others) are the coughers, splutterers and paper rustlers who always seem to reserve their coughing, spluttering and paper rustling for the more sublime, quieter passages in any music performance.

Some concert-goers clearly treat the occasion as a social event and the music is seemingly just something of an obligatory and lengthy interlude in their great scheme of things ...

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

No, he was joining in a trivial discussion, one that is as much an annual ritual as the Proms themselves. A discussion that needs as much lightening up as, perhaps, some of its participants.

If you really believe that, I refer you to #2, which is the culmination of goading on the issue before this thread began. It appears that MrGG wanted this discussion, just so he could have a scrap.

Just wait until Prom 75. . .

[Nachtigall]

I've just read right through this thread and have to say that I agree 100% with DracoM and all those who find inter-movement clapping intolerable. It's one of the reasons (programme-rustling, coughing, a less than gripping season, etc.) why, much as I love live music-making, I've given up going to the Proms entirely this year (gosh! I might have found myself sitting next to MrGongGong ).

If only people would behave – but they won't. I'm reminded of what Lord Goring says in An Ideal Husband:"Other people are quite dreadful. The only possible society is oneself."

[MrGongGong]

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I've just read right through this thread and have to say that I agree 100% with DracoM and all those who find inter-movement clapping intolerable. It's one of the reasons (programme-rustling, coughing, a less than gripping season, etc.) why, much as I love live music-making, I've given up going to the Proms entirely this year (gosh! I might have found myself sitting next to MrGongGong ).

My guess is that MrGG is very considerate in concerts, but seeks to provoke here.

[MrGongGong]

My guess is that MrGG is very considerate in concerts, but seeks to provoke here.

I'm not at all trying to provoke anything
and there are contexts where music is best listened to in total silence with silences between parts
BUT
I don't think that the Proms is one of those
It never was in the past and, given the nature of the event, will never be one.

There are NO barbarians trying to steal or destroy classical music

Should we also ban orchestral musicians from shuffling their feet?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I'm not at all trying to provoke anything
and there are contexts where music is best listened to in total silence with silences between parts
BUT
I don't think that the Proms is one of those
It never was in the past and, given the nature of the event, will never be one.

There are NO barbarians trying to steal or destroy classical music

Should we also ban orchestral musicians from shuffling their feet?

Keep repeating it, and people will eventually believe it.