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  • Barbirollians
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    • Nov 2010
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    Works missing from the Proms for too long

    A game from the Proms archive . After reading Michael Kennedy's book on Richard Strauss I got out Kempe's recording of Aus Italien and what a fun piece it is when played like that . I see however having appeared twice in 1903 it was never been heard again save for its fourth movement in 1910 .

    What work that has at least once been played at the Proms deserves a comeback - I think Aus Italien does .
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    That's staggering! I would have thought this to be an ideal "warm-up" Strauss piece.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      That's staggering! I would have thought this to be an ideal "warm-up" Strauss piece.
      "Warm up"? It goes on forever! (It's even worse than the Domestic Symphony!)

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      • Barbirollians
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        "Warm up"? It goes on forever! (It's even worse than the Domestic Symphony!)

        Birtwistle: Panic
        That is unfair it is much more fun than the Domestica with better tunes and in Kempe's recordings a minute shorter at 43 minute but considering we have had Ein Heldenleben 40 times ...

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        • Barbirollians
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          • Nov 2010
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          #5
          Goldmark Violin Concerto - last heard 1911 .

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            According to the archive,No Harry Partch has ever been performed at the Proms , which is too long really.

            If there is a better work ripe for a TV Prom than Delusion of the Fury, I'd like to see/hear it.
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            • makropulos
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              • Nov 2010
              • 1677

              #7
              Here are a few:
              Vaughan Williams: Dona nobis pacem. Done just once at the Proms, by Sargent in 1964.
              Kodaly: Te Deum of Buda Castle. Apparently never done at the Proms.
              Ippolitov-Ivanov: Caucasian Sketches. Last done in 1935.
              Roussel: The Spider's Banquet. Apparently never done at the Proms.
              Britten: Saint Nicolas. Again, if the online archives is to be believed, never done at the Proms.

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                • Sep 2011
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                #8
                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                ... considering we have had Ein Heldenleben 40 times ...
                Well, Heldenleben is seventy times better, so another thirty-odd before Snr Denza can look forward to further royalties.
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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by makropulos View Post
                  Vaughan Williams: Dona nobis pacem. Done just once at the Proms, by Sargent in 1964.
                  Oh, yes, please. (The last - and only - time I heard that Live was in 1976.)
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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                    • Sep 2011
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                    #10
                    Incidentally, can we please keep to the OP remit of "works heard at least once that deserve a comeback" - if we add "works never yet heard" I'll be here all week!
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                    • teamsaint
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Incidentally, can we please keep to the OP remit of "works heard at least once that deserve a comeback" - if we add "works never yet heard" I'll be here all week!
                      It'll only take some smart Alec to start a " never heard at the Proms" thread, and your week is spoken for.
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                      • Beef Oven!
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                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        #12
                        IMV the OP is indicative of what's wrong with the proms. If we are worried that a 'fun' piece of music from 1886 like Aus Italian has been missing from the proms for too long and deserves a comeback, there's no hope for music, let alone the Proms!!!

                        Roll on Prom 8 (tonight), Proms Matinee 1, 11, 13, 14, 16 , 24, 27 , 30, 33, Proms Chamber Music 4, 35, 37 , 41, Proms Chamber music 5, 43, 45, 50, Proms Saturday Matinee 4, 67 & 74.

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                        • Nick Armstrong
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          The 'works heard 100 years ago at the Proms' theme in Essential Classics this week enabled me to hear for the first time the Suite (or 'Symphonic Fragments') from Debussy's Le martyre de St Sébastien arranged by André Caplet. I thought it was gorgeous.

                          When it was followed by the comment 'this year, Debussy's much more popular Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune is featured at the Proms, it did make me think about lazy predictable programme planning. It's the 94th outing for the piece - not quite every year, but not far off. The Debussy/Caplet Suite was far more interesting I thought.

                          That said, the latter probably isn't a candidate for this thread, as since its outing in 1915, it has been heard at the Proms 4 more times (1963, 1988, 1996 & 1997). Mind you that's almost 20 years ago - no, I take it back.

                          The Debussy/Caplet Le martyre de St Sébastien Suite is my shout for this thread!
                          Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 22-07-15, 15:40. Reason: Date error
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                          • Beef Oven!
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                            • Sep 2013
                            • 18147

                            #14
                            How about an entire Prom season comprised of music that has never been played previously at the Proms, not even once?

                            That gets my vote on this thread.

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                            • makropulos
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1677

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Incidentally, can we please keep to the OP remit of "works heard at least once that deserve a comeback" - if we add "works never yet heard" I'll be here all week!
                              You can if you want to. I thought it was interesting that three repertoire pieces, all of which I went looking for in the archives and all of them eminently likely candidates for Proms performances (i.e. not operas, chamber music, or the like) had never been performed.

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