Televised Proms

[Zucchini]

ABy the way - is it so much of an "effort" as frenchie and alpie suggest? About half of my viewing and more than three-quarters of my listening is done via i-Player/Listen Again these days. Am I the only one?

No you're not.

[seabright]

It would be good to see and hear some of the newly commissioned works IMV

Has anyone made a list of all the works commissioned for the BBC Proms over the last 25 years that have had just one performance and then sunk without trace? :)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Has anyone made a list of all the works commissioned for the BBC Proms over the last 25 years that have had just one performance and then sunk without trace? :)

Why only 25 years?

[MrGongGong]

Has anyone made a list of all the works commissioned for the BBC Proms over the last 25 years that have had just one performance and then sunk without trace? :)

Longevity isn't necessarily a measure of significance or quality

(just saying)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

No, I didn't mean that. It's no effort if you know what you want to watch

Yes - it occurs to me, too that such i-Player-only content isn't shown in listings magazines: it's only "announced" on the i-Player homepage. If (and again, I have no idea that any of this is going to happen - the source quote might be a typing error!) you already know where and when to find it, it isn't a great effort to do so.

Which is what I think you refer to when you say:

but it's putting an obstacle in the way of people who would probably not bother if they had to make a bit more effort.

[Norrette]

...By the way - is it so much of an "effort" as frenchie and alpie suggest? About half of my viewing and more than three-quarters of my listening is done via i-Player/Listen Again these days. Am I the only one?

I suppose it depends on the quality of your IT equipment, sound card, speakers etc. I'd rather record something off the TV, and play it back that way.

Interesting about iPlayer for Radio - my telly can no longer play these as the streaming software has changed on the BBC website and my 3 year old telly (S**y) is no doubt from the ark. iPlayer for visual programs is iffy as well.

Norrette

[Flosshilde]

Longevity isn't necessarily a measure of significance or quality

(just saying)

Neither is the number of times a piece has been performed.

[Flosshilde]

I see. In other words, it'll be a bit like the new pieces that are cut from the main televised Proms and stitched together later in a late night 'New Music' programme: you'll be making an effort to seek it out, rather than having it served up on a plate?

I thought there had been a lot of complaint recently about things being 'served up on a plate' - ie things being made too easy & trivialised?

[doversoul1]

There are programmes on R4 I enjoy listening if I happen to catch it but I wouldn’t make an effort to seek out what I have missed and listen to it on iPlayer.

I think the majority of people who pay the licence fees are not interested enough in the Proms to make an effort to take time and watch it on iPlayer but a lot of them are likely to watch if they can just turn the television on and see it. Isn’t this the main aim of the Proms; to reach a wider audience that would not make an effort to listen to classical music but may listen if it’s there?

[french frank]

I thought there had been a lot of complaint recently about things being 'served up on a plate' - ie things being made too easy & trivialised?

Then choose a different phrase. No one is saying that including contemporary music within the concert in which it was performed is 'trivialising', or making it easier. It's making it more readily available to such people as might be put off by having to make a bit of an effort to find something which isn't immediately appealing to them.

[opera lover]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/r89mxj/series/rd4wrz - a list of televised Proms on the BBC events page
At the top of the page it says: "All untelevised music performed in these Proms will be available to watch online." This could mean the parts of the programme which will be left from the "live" scheduled slot.

[french frank]

This could mean the parts of the programme which will be left from the "live" scheduled slot.

Aaaahhhh…… as in 'Will be included in a late night compilation'? By George, I think you've got it!

By the way, I checked back on the 2005 season (bec. 10 years ago) to see what was done then. Not a huge amount on on BBC Two, but as well as the First and Last Nights (as now), there were three concerts:

the West-Eastern Prom
Beethoven 9 + Gubaidulina
RVW 6 and Berlioz's Symph. Fantastique.

The big difference was in BBC Four's coverage: every night, live and complete from 18 July until the end of the month (including works by Musgrave, Dutilleux, Fraser Trainer); every night, live and complete, from 4th September (including works by Adès and Turnage). But nothing in August, I think. Still seems to have been a better deal. More concerts, more live, more complete with new works …

[mercia]

I'm probably missing the point but with yesterday's first night, on iplayer, one can watch the Carpenter piece as part of the whole programme or separately - and the other works can be watched individually too. No doubt everyone has already discovered this.

[french frank]

I'm probably missing the point

What you can't see are the bits of 'televised Proms' that ended on the cutting room floor before broadcast. These are the bits that will be in the late night 'new music' compilation. Though, as far as I remember, last year even some of these were only extracts.

[mercia]

confused of Tunbridge Wells says - the Carpenter piece is 'new music' isn't it ?