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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30609

    #2
    Interesting?

    For a moment I thought it might be that AD had fled in terror, pursued by the FoR3 bear …
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • doversoul1
      Ex Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 7132

      #3
      Rather a lot of emphasis on new and wider audiences. I hope the new director has somewhat different ideas about how to put this into practice from how things have been in the last few years.

      "I look forward now to building on the founding principles of the Proms - to bring world-class classical music to the widest possible audience."

      Helen Boaden, director of BBC Radio, said Pickard had "an outstanding track record in bringing new audiences to classical music".

      His achievements at Glyndebourne have included the discovery of exciting new artistic talent and the establishment of a range of new initiatives to bring opera to wider audiences through Glyndebourne's touring, education and digital activities


      Glyndebourne boss David Pickard has been appointed director of the BBC Proms, it has been announced.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30609

        #4
        Originally posted by doversoul View Post
        Rather a lot of emphasis on new and wider audiences. I hope the new director has somewhat different ideas about how to put this into practice from how things have been in the last few years.
        He does say 'to bring world-class classical music' to the widest possible audience, and Boaden 'bringing new audiences to classical music'. At face value that is surely to be applauded? If that was a prime concern of his predecessor, it wasn't obvious. New audiences to the Proms, yes; but not necessarily to classical music of any description.

        Is this something to be detached (if no one minds!) for a new discussion on the Proms?
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37928

          #5
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          He does say 'to bring world-class classical music' to the widest possible audience, and Boaden 'bringing new audiences to classical music'. At face value that is surely to be applauded? If that was a prime concern of his predecessor, it wasn't obvious. New audiences to the Proms, yes; but not necessarily to classical music of any description.

          Is this something to be detached (if no one minds!) for a new discussion on the Proms?
          I think this is as good a place as any, to keep our beady eyes on Mr Pickard, as he, er, settles into his new job.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30609

            #6
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            I think this is as good a place as any, to keep our beady eyes on Mr Pickard, as he, er, settles into his new job.
            News that got back to me from journalists was that Roger was very much a 'party animal', hosting expensive events for the press; and rather revelled in meeting the celebrities (Barenboim, perhaps, but Pet Shop Boys/Rufus Wainwright at least as much). Pickard looks a bit less … flamboyant than Roger.

            We have Jarvis Cocker coming up this year, but it looks - am I wrong? - as if there has been a bit of rowing back from the naked 'pop' appeal of last year …
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • MrGongGong
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              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              #7
              I don't know him
              BUT many of the folks I have seen commenting on social media about this I would have a lot of respect for.

              The job IS to bring music to the "widest possible audience", that's one of the main reasons the Proms were started in the first place
              if you want a museum there are plenty in the vicinity of the RAH

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 13030

                #8
                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                ... Roger was very much a 'party animal'
                ... o, if only our previous forum member - an American - had known! She was much an admirer of his lutrine charms...

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20577

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  I think this is as good a place as any, to keep our beady eyes on Mr Pickard, as he, er, settles into his new job.
                  But we should give him a fair chance.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30609

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                    The job IS to bring music to the "widest possible audience", that's one of the main reasons the Proms were started in the first place
                    But he doesn't seem to think that means ANY sort of music.

                    There used to be an argument (c. 2003) that went:

                    A: Why are they now playing all this non-classical music in Morning on 3, when it's a classical music programme?

                    B: It isn't a classical music programme - look at all the non-classical music they play …

                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • MrGongGong
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      But he doesn't seem to think that means ANY sort of music.

                      There used to be an argument (c. 2003) that went:

                      A: Why are they now playing all this non-classical music in Morning on 3, when it's a classical music programme?

                      B: It isn't a classical music programme - look at all the non-classical music they play …

                      I'm not sure what your point is?
                      R3 is not the Proms

                      Some music works really well in the RAH some doesn't
                      as many in here often have commented some of their best Proms experiences have been all night Indian music, the Gothic Symphony and Cage/Cunningham etc

                      I just find it extraordinary that some (not ALL) folks seem to object to the idea of "wider audiences"
                      Rather a lot of emphasis on new and wider audiences
                      which I read as a criticism

                      Whether it's done well or badly is something else IMV

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                      • doversoul1
                        Ex Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 7132

                        #12
                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        He does say 'to bring world-class classical music' to the widest possible audience, and Boaden 'bringing new audiences to classical music'. At face value that is surely to be applauded? If that was a prime concern of his predecessor, it wasn't obvious. New audiences to the Proms, yes; but not necessarily to classical music of any description.
                        Yes, the fact that the new director is not afraid of saying ‘classical music’ is a hopeful sign. As for new audiences, his predecessor’s focus seemed to have been on new audiences and not particularly on classical music. Let’s hope David Pickard, with the new Controller, will take classical music and its listeners, new or old, seriously.
                        Last edited by doversoul1; 26-05-15, 19:26.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30609

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          I'm not sure what your point is?
                          R3 is not the Proms
                          It was a subtle argument - esoteric, even. It was an analogy, not saying that R3 was the Proms.

                          I just find it extraordinary that some (not ALL) folks seem to object to the idea of "wider audiences"
                          which I read as a criticism
                          Criticism, as in 'is to be applauded'? It depends on the nature of the 'wider audience' - if the Proms included Sumo Wrestling they would get a wider audience.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            #14
                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            if the Proms included Sumo Wrestling they would get a wider audience.
                            I'd prefer that to The Dream of ..............i'll get my coat

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20577

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                              I'd prefer that to The Dream of ..............i'll get my coat
                              That sold out within the first hour. I'll help you put that coat on.

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