R3 on the Proms

[MrGongGong]

BUT, as FF says, it does not mean that it 'educates' at all: classical fans are very unlikely to tune in to Pete Tong's stuff,

In my experience
"Classical Musicians" (if such a tribe exist?) ARE likely to tune in to Pete Tong
Just ask them ( I have)

The problem with this

And getting back to the 'original' popular Proms, this is what Robert Newman said: "I am going to run nightly concerts to train the public in easy stages. Popular at first, gradually raising the standard until I have created a public for classical and modern music."

Is that it implies that ALL "classical and modern music" is of a lesser "standard" than other musics.... Give me Underworld rather than Stanford any day.

[Honoured Guest]

There's no reason for the BBC Proms 2015 to adhere to a press release issued 120 years ago.

[Honoured Guest]

So my explanation of the 'reasons' would be:

1. To give the impression that the Proms are 'for everyone' by seeming to have every sort of music (albeit mostly classical)

2. To grab the headlines, as they know, cynically, that the media (including the BBC itself) will sell the new season as Ibiza and Sherlock. Even the children's Prom got left out this year because there was no Doctor Who only rotten old Ten Pieces of classical music …

1) To present a wide range of orchestral music (albeit almost entirely classical)

2) To give the series a small element of sufficient interest to the general public that the media can report the announcement of the Proms

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

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You know, you really shouldn't laugh at your own jokes.

Mozart really should have been stopped, allowing those noisy Turkish instruments into the orchestra was the slippery slope

Plucking one-liners out of a hat does not prove a point. It's the tactics of the consultant. I'm sure you've met 'em.

[MrGongGong]

It was Teamsaints joke, not mine

There are no barbarians
The Russians weren't coming
and
We haven't gone to hell in a handcart

(That's cost you £500 at current consultancy rates)

But enough of this
What do you think about clapping between movements ?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It was Teamsaints joke, not mine

Oops!

There are no barbarians

There are millions of them.

(That's cost you £500 at current consultancy rates)

Not when you give misleading information.

But enough of this
What do you think about clapping between movements ?

You know my views on inconsiderate behaviour.


By the way, I've pre-booked tickets for The Dream of Gerontius.

[MrGongGong]

By the way, I've pre-booked tickets for The Dream of Gerontius.

Excellent news
I hope (really) you have a wonderful time
I'll probably give it a miss though

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Excellent news
I hope (really) you have a wonderful time
I'll probably give it a miss though

It's a dream come true - the Vienna Philharmonic playing Elgar - live.

[doversoul1]

1) To present a wide range of orchestral music (albeit almost entirely classical)

2) To give the series a small element of sufficient interest to the general public that the media can report the announcement of the Proms

1) To give the impression that the Proms are presenting a wide range of orchestral music by having a symphony orchestra play club dance music?

2) ff’s comment rephrased?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

1) To give the impression that the Proms are presenting a wide range of orchestral music by having a symphony orchestra play club dance music?

2) ff’s comment rephrased?

Your astuteness never ceases to impress me.

[parkepr]

A great many people come to the Last Night, Promming in the Arena and Gallery who don't attend any other concerts during the season. They do this by asking regular day ticket buyers to give them their their ticket stubs. If you have half a dozen stubs from the season, you can buy a standing ticket for the Last Night.

Many season ticket holders don't come to the Last Night,either because they don't like the programme,the jingoism, or because they resent the unruly behaviour of the newcomers.

This sounds a bit snobbish, but that's not my intention, It's simply that the Last Night has become separate from the rest of the season's offerings, and I doubt whether the new visitors would ever wish to be persuaded to come to hear more solid fare. I've even been asked by visitors from overseas who have bought a day ticket for, say, a Mozart concert "When do they bring out the flags and sing Rule Britannia ?"

FF, well said. The last night is now it's own "product", but.... if the Last night, "Ibiza", "Urban" etc... proms make a shed load of money and allow the BBC to put on less "popular" proms then I can live with that...

[MrGongGong]

It's a dream come true - the Vienna Philharmonic playing Elgar - live.

There are many kinds of dreams
and anyway I thought Elgar was dead?

[Richard Barrett]

There are many kinds of dreams

... tortoises have them for example. But probably not at the Proms.

[MrGongGong]

... tortoises have them for example. But probably not at the Proms.

I had high hopes for some eternal ones this year