Prom 38 - 14.08.14: BBC Phil, Elschenbroich / Storgårds

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20573

    Prom 38 - 14.08.14: BBC Phil, Elschenbroich / Storgårds

    Thursday, 14 August
    7.30 p.m. – c. 10.05 p.m.
    Royal Albert Hall

    Sibelius: Finlandia
    Sir Peter Maxwell Davies: Symphony No. 5
    Bridge: Oration

    Sibelius: Symphony No. 2 in D

    Leonard Elschenbroich, cello
    BBC Philharmonic
    John Storgårds, conductor

    Finnish conductor John Storgårds champions stirring works of his nation's musical hero. Sibelius's musical language is one of the starting points for much of Peter Maxwell Davies's symphonic music and its echoes can be heard in his Fifth Symphony, performed tonight in celebration of his forthcoming eightieth birthday. BBC New Generation Artist Leonard Elschenbroich joins the BBC Philharmonic for "Oration", Frank Bridge's meditation on war, ending with a visionary epilogue.
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 07-08-14, 14:17.
  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26574

    #2
    Good northern fare, bit of a classic Programme this somehow. and having heard the BBC Phil the other day in Mahler 5, this should be a treat - epic brass section, above all, to these ears at any rate!
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • jayne lee wilson
      Banned
      • Jul 2011
      • 10711

      #3
      Home Concert Hall to Proms Planners: better off without Finlandia!

      .... if you must have some Sibelian intro, do the truly great Oceanides instead, or if you want something more reflective, try The Bard or The Dryad (or both) ; but put a lengthy moratorium on bloody Finlandia, for God's sake....

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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        • Nov 2010
        • 20573

        #4
        All these 5th symphonies being performed.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20573

          #5
          (Just bringing this concert back to the top of the pile.)

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          • pastoralguy
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7802

            #6
            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
            Home Concert Hall to Proms Planners: better off without Finlandia!

            .... if you must have some Sibelian intro, do the truly great Oceanides instead, or if you want something more reflective, try The Bard or The Dryad (or both) ; but put a lengthy moratorium on bloody Finlandia, for God's sake....
            Of course, there will be audience members tonight who will be hearing this work for the first time...

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            • french frank
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              • Feb 2007
              • 30470

              #7
              Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
              Of course, there will be audience members tonight who will be hearing this work for the first time...
              And it does seem to me to be a 'good' way to guide them towards the 'new' repertoire in the programme (alternative ways seem to me 'less good' but let's stay on topic).
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • jayne lee wilson
                Banned
                • Jul 2011
                • 10711

                #8
                PROM 38, HDs Ratings Part One:

                ​SIBELIUS Finlandia - Sound 9/10, Performance 9/10.
                MAXWELL DAVIES 5 - Sound 7/10, Performance 9/10.
                BRIDGE Oration - Sound 7/10, Performance 7/10.

                Too ambitious: better to partner Max 5 with just one other work. Bridge the wrong choice at this point in the programme.
                Max 5 VG - but final climax not quite enough power or momentum. Some level-manipulation - audible boosting of quiet passages.
                Detail obscured & coarsened tuttis in the Bridge.

                HDs Ratings Part Two:

                SIBELIUS 2 - Sound 6/10, performance 5/10.

                Especially disappointing considering their recent experience of recording the whole cycle.
                Lack of inner tension, rhythm & ensemble often slack, wayward tempi.
                "Tempo Andante, ma rubato" - acknowleged, but 2nd movement not held together at all well.
                Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 14-08-14, 22:07.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20573

                  #9
                  There's nothing whatever wrong in programming popular works, just as long as that is not all they have on offer.

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                  • Master Jacques
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                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1927

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                    Too ambitious: better to partner Max 5 with just one other work. Bridge the wrong choice at this point in the programme. Max 5 VG - but final climax not quite enough power or momentum. Some level-manipulation - audible boosting of quiet passages.
                    Detail obscured & coarsened tuttis in the Bridge.
                    The volume manipulation may have been done to drown out the egregiously loud whoopings of a small child somewhere out in the corridor.

                    In the hall, the momentum was certainly built beautifully in Max 5. The audience (and composer) were overwhelmed with emotion at the end. The Bridge was indeed one Too Far after that. Although it is beautifully crafted, the piece's obsessive mood and sombre colouration came across as monochrome and pedestrian after the Max Symphony. The context was the problem. Nothing wrong at all with the excellent soloist, either. At the end, however, my thought was how much more richly Bridge's pupil charted the same "dark to light" in his own, celebrated concertante work for the instrument.

                    The Sibelius was a mainstream interpretation, without the fresh, focused detail of the Welsh's 5th on Tuesday. But in the hall it was impossible not to be moved by the wonderful skill and full-bodied tone of this, one of the greatest of European orchestras!

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                    • Lento
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                      • Jan 2014
                      • 646

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
                      The Bridge was indeed one Too Far
                      I decided the concert was going to be 2BL, so gave the Bridge a miss. I hope it wasn't wobbly!

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                      • Maclintick
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                        • Jan 2012
                        • 1083

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
                        .

                        The Sibelius was a mainstream interpretation, without the fresh, focused detail of the Welsh's 5th on Tuesday. But in the hall it was impossible not to be moved by the wonderful skill and full-bodied tone of this, one of the greatest of European orchestras!
                        For me this was streets ahead of the 5th by BBC NOW/Sondergard the other evening, listening at home. From the sure-footed, pulsating warmth of the opening allegretto to the stirring, though admittedly nationalistic & bombastic or triumphant (according to taste) final coda, I found that Storgards and his players delivered a near-ideal performance of this symphony, with tempi exactly-judged & exemplary playing - full-bodied tone indeed, MJ, but with plenty of character & delicacy where called-for in the many important wind passages. Enjoyed the Bridge Oration, though could have done with greater projection from the solo cellist, & will have to catch up with Max's 5th on the I-Player.

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                        • jayne lee wilson
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 10711

                          #13
                          Tim Ashley's view...
                          http://www.theguardian.com/music/204/aug/15/prom-38-bbc-philharmonc-storgards-review

                          The bachtrack Prom 38 review is also worth a look...
                          In a well constructed programme of Sibelius, Maxwell Davies and Bridge, good energy and many moments of beautiful orchestral playing are marred by timing errors and dynamics.
                          Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 16-08-14, 20:30.

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                          • bluestateprommer
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3019

                            #14
                            For me, this Prom was a bit of a mixed bag, where I find myself in divergence from other posters here. Finlandia got things off to a good start, as it almost always does. I wasn't that enthralled with PMD's Symphony No. 5, as I found a certain stolidness about the work that also struck me from hearing the Caroline Matilde excerpts by the BBC NOW the Prom before. However, it's good to know that Sir Peter was in the hall and got a very warm reception. Elschenbroich did a very fine job in Frank Bridge's Oration, which honestly was much more interesting listening by comparison, although the concerto is a slightly erratic work in of itself (and I even have a recording that I need to give a listen to again). No one seems to have commented on LE's encore, a movement from a solo cello sonata by Paul Hindemith, which he dispatched very well. (This seems to be the Proms season for solo string sonata encores by Paul Hindemith, after Julia Fischer's blistering encore from the Tonhalle Prom earlier this season.)

                            Again, I seem to be swimming against the tide in opinion about this Sibelius 2. I found Storgards' interpretation rather lacking in tension (excepting the scherzo, which almost can't help but buzz with energy, as that movement seems almost conductor-proof that way), and slack in ensemble particularly at the end of the slow movement and finale. Of course, given the triumphant ending, it's always a crowd-pleaser, as one can hear from the Prommers' applause at the end, but this one just didn't do it for me. I found TS' BBC NOW rendition of Sibelius 5 from the prior Prom more satisfying, but of that more separately. But overall, JS' work with the Lapland Chamber Orchestra in the PSM showed him on much better form than with the BBC Phil here. Oh well, you can't win them all.

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