Prom 69 - 3.09.13: Beethoven & Bruckner

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    Prom 69 - 3.09.13: Beethoven & Bruckner

    7.00pm – c. 9.20pm
    Royal Albert Hall

    Beethoven
    Piano Concerto No. 2 in B flat major (29 mins)
    INTERVAL
    Bruckner
    Symphony No. 4 in E flat major, 'Romantic' (70 mins)

    Christian Ihle Hadland piano
    Oslo Philharmonic Orchestra
    Vasily Petrenko conductor

    In their second Proms appearance this summer Vasily Petrenko and the Oslo Philharmonic explore the Romantic landscape and Schubertian echoes of Bruckner's Fourth Symphony. Repeatedly revised by the composer during his lifetime, the symphony opens with a radiant sunrise.
    Last heard playing Brahms with the Signum Quartet (PCM 7), Christian Ihle Hadland joins Petrenko and the orchestra for Beethoven's Second Piano Concerto, built on the Mozartian model but already pointing to the bold gestures of the composer's maturity.
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 27-08-13, 16:02.
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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20576
    #2
    I really must try to like Bruckner...

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    • Petrushka
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      • Nov 2010
      • 12342
      #3
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      I really must try to like Bruckner...
      The 4th is probably the best place to start. Whether Petrenko is the person to start it with is another question entirely. This Prom looked OK on paper but the unknown quantity that is Petrenko's Brucknerian credentials deterred me from including this one in my Proms Planner. One for the radio.
      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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      • DublinJimbo
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        • Nov 2011
        • 1222
        #4
        The same forces will perform in Dublin's National Concert Hall the following day. Here we're to get the Grieg piano concerto instead of Beethoven 2.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711
          #5
          Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
          The 4th is probably the best place to start. Whether Petrenko is the person to start it with is another question entirely. This Prom looked OK on paper but the unknown quantity that is Petrenko's Brucknerian credentials deterred me from including this one in my Proms Planner. One for the radio.
          A few years ago (2010-11 IIRC) Petrenko did the 4th with the RLPO, live in Liverpool. It had a full, rich sonority - but a swiftness and a dramatic bite worthy of Knappertsbusch. I've never forgotten its impact which - yes - his 7th later couldn't match, a little too lyrically diffuse. If he gives the same reading with the Oslo PO, barely over the hour, watch out! But I suspect how the orchestra "play out" into the RAH acoustic may be at least as influential in the symphony's impact.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
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            I did start with no. 4, and followed this by no. 7. Both seem too minimalistic for my tastes, though no. 5 I do admire.

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            • jayne lee wilson
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              • Jul 2011
              • 10711
              #7
              Don't miss this Bruckner 4 - that RLPO performance was like an arrow flying unerringly to its target. Swift and true, with timpani a very emphatic groundswell. Wonder if I can mix any more metaphors in there... er, what about "timpani thundering like the horsemen from which the arrows are shot". Yeah, that'll do...

              Whatever you think of it, you probably won't forget it...

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              • Prommer
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                • Dec 2010
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                #8
                Er, never heard 4 and 7 described as minimalistic before!

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                • edashtav
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                  • Jul 2012
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                  Don't miss this Bruckner 4 - that RLPO performance was like an arrow flying unerringly to its target. Swift and true, with timpani a very emphatic groundswell. Wonder if I can mix any more metaphors in there... er, what about "timpani thundering like the horsemen from which the arrows are shot". Yeah, that'll do...

                  Whatever you think of it, you probably won't forget it...
                  Bruckner's 4th is his only symphony that doesn't "turn me on". Have you done enough, Jayne, to get me to "turn it on"? Only, time will tell, but I don't like tales of "barely an hour": Jascha wouldn't have got past its first movement in that time, surely?

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                  • salymap
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5969
                    #10
                    DON'T FORGET Tonight's Prom starts at 7 pm

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                    • LaurieWatt
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 205
                      #11
                      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                      Don't miss this Bruckner 4 - that RLPO performance was like an arrow flying unerringly to its target. Swift and true, with timpani a very emphatic groundswell. Wonder if I can mix any more metaphors in there... er, what about "timpani thundering like the horsemen from which the arrows are shot". Yeah, that'll do...

                      Whatever you think of it, you probably won't forget it...
                      How about ' timpani thundering like the horsemen of the apocalypse....'
                      I am nervous about this one and I hope that you are correct - you like swift and light on feet I understand from your comments about the EPS Bruckner 7. At 59 minutes it was certainly the fastest I have come across!

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163
                        #12
                        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                        Wonder if I can mix any more metaphors in there... er, what about "timpani thundering like the horsemen from which the arrows are shot".
                        "From whom", perhaps?
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          Originally posted by Prommer View Post
                          Er, never heard 4 and 7 described as minimalistic before!
                          I was thinking of those enless repetitions. But this is not intended as a criticism. I know the fault lies within me and not the music.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163
                            #14
                            Originally posted by edashtav View Post
                            Bruckner's 4th is his only symphony that doesn't "turn me on". Have you done enough, Jayne, to get me to "turn it on"? Only, time will tell, but I don't like tales of "barely an hour": Jascha wouldn't have got past its first movement in that time, surely?
                            Sadly, I can't find any recording of the Fourth by Horenstein - but timings for the whole work make fascinating comparisons. There's an entire half-hour difference between the fastest (at 49 mins: Rozhdestvensky) and the slowest (Celibidache at 1 hr 19mins). Most take between 62 - 65 mins in total (Karajan DG and Wand take 64 mins - the earlier EMI Karajan taking 70mins). Norrington takes 1hr 04mins, which is quite slower than either of Klemperer's studio accounts (61mins in London, which is 10minutes slower than his Vienna SO recording, at 51mins).
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • LeMartinPecheur
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                              • Apr 2007
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Sadly, I can't find any recording of the Fourth by Horenstein - but timings for the whole work make fascinating comparisons. There's an entire half-hour difference between the fastest (at 49 mins: Rozhdestvensky) and the slowest (Celibidache at 1 hr 19mins). Most take between 62 - 65 mins in total (Karajan DG and Wand take 64 mins - the earlier EMI Karajan taking 70mins). Norrington takes 1hr 04mins, which is quite slower than either of Klemperer's studio accounts (61mins in London, which is 10minutes slower than his Vienna SO recording, at 51mins).
                              I think we were just told in the interval talk that Norrington performs a very different edition, so direct time-comparisons could be misleading.
                              I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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