Prom 63 - 29.08.13: Mozart, Peter Eötvös & Bruckner

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I hero worshipped Bob Simpson and his ilk when young - maybe I'm stuck in a rut!

Simpson is excellent on the architecture of the scores with which he was familiar (and there are worse heros to be worshipped; certainly ruts with less enlightening views) - but more recent generations of Musical archaeologists have discovered foundations that he could not have known about.

[marvin]

blimey....

I reckon that proper, serious, glorious music such as this was too much for their uncultured ears and, after all it has a long run-time which again was too much for people perhaps used to too many Classic FM tit bits.

[MrGongGong]

Now then. Let's be 100% honest about this. What musical work springs to mind when you hear the title DoReMi?

Has to be this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv4Yyca2ijI

Shame I missed this one

[edashtav]

Simpson is excellent on the architecture of the scores with which he was familiar (and there are worse heros to be worshipped; certainly ruts with less enlightening views) - but more recent generations of Musical archaeologists have discovered foundations that he could not have known about.

Barry Millington in the Evening Standard admired Salonen's quick, new broom: http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/m...w-8791845.html

but he spared a thought for us horny, old males stuck in our ruts: Those wedded to the monumental Bruckner interpretations of such conductors as Gunter Wand or Bernard Haitink may have been taken aback by the swift tempi of Esa-Pekka Salonen in his account of the Seventh Symphony.

That's it.. I need my Wand!

Geoffrey Norris enjoyed the concert, too for the Daily Telegrapgh:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/proms/10276078/Proms-2013-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Albert-Hall-review.html

Geoffrey spared a thought for those who campaign against traffic lights:
Salonen’s interpretation was fluent and reasoned. It was also quite swift, with speedings-up that are unmarked in the score. Those who prefer those magnificent climaxes to slow-burn will have been disappointed.

[Hornspieler]

But you simply have to refresh the interpretative approach to keep the music alive, rather than keeping it safe in a mitteleuropean museum...

... but, hope that will be done by bringing alive what Bruckner wrote and not by assuming that it's open season to play fast, slow, or loose with his scores

For Mahler, the benchmark is Bruno Walter but for Bruckner (IMHO) it is definitely Horenstein.
HS

[edashtav]

For Mahler, the benchmark is Bruno Walter but for Bruckner (IMHO) it is definitely Horenstein.
HS

Ja... Ja... Jascha is the Man for all Bruckner Seasons!

[jayne lee wilson]

Barry Millington in the Evening Standard admired Salonen's quick, new broom: http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/m...w-8791845.html

but he spared a thought for us horny, old males stuck in our ruts: Those wedded to the monumental Bruckner interpretations of such conductors as Gunter Wand or Bernard Haitink may have been taken aback by the swift tempi of Esa-Pekka Salonen in his account of the Seventh Symphony.

That's it.. I need my Wand!

Geoffrey Norris enjoyed the concert, too for the Daily Telegrapgh:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/proms/10276078/Proms-2013-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Albert-Hall-review.html

Geoffrey spared a thought for those who campaign against traffic lights:
Salonen’s interpretation was fluent and reasoned. It was also quite swift, with speedings-up that are unmarked in the score. Those who prefer those magnificent climaxes to slow-burn will have been disappointed.

Nice anthology Ed, thanks... but Millington isn't quite right about Haitink - it's worth a quick reminder that his 1960s Amsterdam cycle is very swift and true, he took barely over the hour for the 7th (in the live one also). His later VPO recordings are more "traditionally" sonorous and more moderately paced (horses for courses..).
I would recommend the Philips duo of 6 & 7 in Amsterdam, (timings are 54'09 and 60'36). RCOA were at a performance-peak with Haitink then... (Mahler, Strauss etc...)

[Vile Consort]

Was I listening (on the radio) to the same performance? I thought that this was the most exciting, exhilerating live performance of the 7th that I have heard.

The climax in the 2nd movement gave me the longest tingle I have ever experienced!

I'm with Jayne here. It was powerful, delicate and lively. And there were pauses when it mattered, long enough to silence every echo in the hall.

Had I been there I think that I too would have clapped between movements, even though I abhor the practice. Maybe it just sounded better on the radio??

Beautiful.

I turned it off after two movements because the applause between movements destroyed the atmosphere.