Prom 39 - 12.08.13: Holst, Nishat Khan & Vaughan Williams

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    Prom 39 - 12.08.13: Holst, Nishat Khan & Vaughan Williams

    7.00pm – c. 9.15pm
    Royal Albert Hall

    Holst
    Indra (12 mins)
    Nishat Khan
    The Gate of the Moon (Sitar Concerto No. 1) (40 mins)
    BBC Commission, World Premiere
    INTERVAL
    Vaughan Williams
    A London Symphony (Symphony No. 2) (45 mins)

    Nishat Khan sitar
    BBC National Orchestra of Wales
    Gustav Holst's fascination with Sanskrit literature found early expression in the 1903 tone-poem Indra, composed before the first set of his Hymns from the Rig Veda (heard on Radio 3 in Proms Chamber Music No 5, Monday 12 August 13:00). Sitar virtuoso Nishat Khan is a proms verteran, having first played as a soloist in 1989. This is the first time one of his own compositions has appeard at the Proms. Writing his concerto is a dream come true: "I have a huge love and respect for the Western classical tradition, and it's a daunting challenge to find a way of combining the sitar with this beautiful, gigantic orchestral sound". He's taken a minimalist approach, with the soloist partly playing composed lines and partly improvising; somtimes the forces meet in dialogue, sometimes embarking upon rhythmic exploration together, with a lot of interaction. He won't be using other indian instruments, though, rather exploiting the sounds of the orchestra. "I think of Western classical music as a huge ocean with so many different fish, plants and temperatures. Among the elements, he particularly loves the sound of the cello and the oboe, which he says combines beautifully with the sitar, bringing a "piercing nostalgia".

    First performed in 1914, Vaughan Williams's A London Symphony evokes the chimes of Westminster, a chill November in Bloomsbury and the bright lights of the Strand in a city that would soon be scarred by war.

    David Atherton conductor
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 08-08-13, 08:27.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20576

    #2
    The second interesting concert in a busy day. (Mind you, I am a bit of a Holst fan.)
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 12-08-13, 15:19.

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    • mrbouffant
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      • Aug 2011
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      #3
      Looking forward to the Holst and RVW. Not sure about 40 minutes of sitar... Sat in Choir East I wonder if I will be able to hear it at all...
      Is it bad form to head for the bar half way thru the piece?

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      • BBMmk2
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        On 3Breakfast today they broadcast Holst's A Winter Idyll, which I hadb't heard before. This should be quirte a good prom =, with an interesting lilt with India.
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • Pabmusic
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          • May 2011
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          #5
          Lovely concert (at least the beginning and end are - I haven't heard the middle). I know that RVW instructed that only the latest (1933?) revision of the London should be used, but I really regret that he didn't stick with the 1920 version, recorded by both Dan Godfrey and the LSO (1925 acoustic) and Eugene Goossens and the Chicago SO (1941 - presumably without permission). You get 48 extra bars, including some lovely stuff in the slow movement) without its rambling as much as the original.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by mrbouffant View Post
            Looking forward to the Holst and RVW.
            Me too!
            Not sure about 40 minutes of sitar... Sat in Choir East I wonder if I will be able to hear it at all...

            Is it bad form to head for the bar half way thru the piece?
            If you did, I hope they wouldn't serve you.

            But on the general point of becoming accustomed to sitar music, 40 minutes is reasonable to begin with. The drone may not leave you for some time after that.

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            • kernelbogey
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              • Nov 2010
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              #7
              Well, we start with Suzy Klein and some bloke from Asian Radio (no name on the website, as far as I could see) enthusing about how wonderful for the two stations to be cooperating blah blah blah and not a single word about the first Holst piece, Indra. (He learned Sanskrit in 1890...wow...! joke joke joke....) Breakfast style comes to the Proms. (As it happens, this is the first Prom I've listened to this year. I'm unimpressed.)

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              • Alison
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                I'm being open minded about the concerto and it's good to have David Atherton back at the Proms.

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                • BBMmk2
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  I am rather enjoying this Concerto!
                  Don’t cry for me
                  I go where music was born

                  J S Bach 1685-1750

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                  • pilamenon
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                    Well, we start with Suzy Klein and some bloke from Asian Radio (no name on the website, as far as I could see) enthusing about how wonderful for the two stations to be cooperating blah blah blah and not a single word about the first Holst piece, Indra. (He learned Sanskrit in 1890...wow...! joke joke joke....) Breakfast style comes to the Proms.
                    The "bloke" is Bobby Friction, from the Asian Network station. Once again, it was the Radio 3 presenter who came across the poorer in the simulcast, very much so this time. I agree about the woeful introduction to the Holst piece, but at least Mr Friction later attempted to explain for his audience what the composer was representing, only to be undercut by an utterly inane comment from Ms Klein about "well, I didn't hear any of that, ha ha ha". Would she be so disrespectful to a composer's intentions on a purely R3 broadcast?
                    Sounded to me like she was apologising for the piece - Holst had a typical imperialist attitude to India, didn't really understand the culture sort of thing.

                    There's a wealth of interesting information on the internet about Holst's interest in India and its music, and the elements he incorporated. None of this got a mention of course, and it would surely have been of interest to both audiences. But of the two presenters, it was Mr Friction who appeared to have done more of his homework.
                    Last edited by pilamenon; 12-08-13, 22:40. Reason: correction to presenter's name + tidying up

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                    • Alison
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #11
                      Ms Klein has turned out to be a real disappointment having once seemed such a breath of fresh air.

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                      • kernelbogey
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        Ms Klein has turned out to be a real disappointment having once seemed such a breath of fresh air.

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                        • Alison
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          I found it very easy to stick with this Prom.

                          The VW2 made me think of those favourite Ted Greenfield adjectives: 'fresh' and 'crisp'.

                          A most enjoyable way to spend a Monday evening.

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                          • edashtav
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                            • Jul 2012
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Alison View Post

                            The VW2 made me think of those favourite Ted Greenfield adjectives: 'fresh' and 'crisp'.

                            A most enjoyable way to spend a Monday evening.
                            Spot on, Alison. I found the nocturne particularly memorable.

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                            • mrbouffant
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                              • Aug 2011
                              • 207

                              #15
                              The Holst was well played. Excellent rhythmic control throughout.

                              The Sitar Concerto left me cold. It ran 10-15 minutes over its advertised duration and would probably benefit from the kind of pruning RVW gave to his second sym. At no point did I feel the concerto rose above a kind of Steve Reichian chugging.

                              The RVW was well played on the whole but ruined for me by (1) applause between the movements (2) 3 mobile phone interruptions and (3) patrons nearby who insist bobbing backwards and forwards or tapping their hands out of time with the music.

                              Such a pity!! Good to see the band and Athers get such warm applause at the end.

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