Prom 23 - 30.07.13: Mozart, Schumann & Sibelius

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

So - many thanks to all who communicate here and please come back, fhg - you are much loved and much missed

I haven't gone anywhere!

And thanks to JLW, too - and edashtav, too. I think.

As for marvin -

[amateur51]

I haven't gone anywhere!

And thanks to JLW, too - and edashtav, too. I think.

As for marvin -

What a relief

[Nick Armstrong]

I haven't gone anywhere!

You'd have been an entry in the "Absent Friends" column within a matter of hours...!

[cloughie]

I think myself very fortunate to be a member of a message board that contains several people who are able to write lucidly, cogently and even excitingly about some of the music that I love. I have learned so much from reading the posts of ferneyhoughgeliebte, jlw, edashtav and MrGG. I simply don't have access (yet?) to the range and sort of intellectual and emotional links that they do. I can express myself but differently and possibly less communicatively and that is the key of it all for me - they are great communicators.

So - many thanks to all who communicate here and please come back, fhg - you are much loved and much missed

Well put ams I agree, and like the erudite analysis - I rely on my ears to decide and a more basic take on how it hits them. Correct me if I'm wrong but surely its Slarty who has reverted to guest and not Ferney who's gone off in a Hough. Come back Slarty, he's not nasty - just likes the banter and discussion - just agree to differ!

[edashtav]

I haven't gone anywhere!

And thanks to JLW, too - and edashtav, too. I think.

As for marvin -

Welcome back, indeed - but are you a doppelganger - perhaps Mr Ferneyhough, himself ?
We shall know only when your critical faculties are fully engaged.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Welcome back, indeed - but are you a doppelganger - perhaps Mr Ferneyhough, himself ?

Oh, no: and, if I were, I'd (real me) would hope that someone else would tell me to stop posting and get on with my (ie the real BF's) Piano Quintet (for the Arditiis and Ian Pace/Nic Hodges ideally).

We shall know only when your critical faculties are fully engaged.

Well; if you insist: Did the Shostakovich #11 really make you feel as if you were "living in the Soviet Union"? And is this really meant to be a positive recommendation of the work?

[edashtav]

Oh, no: and, if I were, I'd (real me) would hope that someone else would tell me to stop posting and get on with my (ie the real BF's) Piano Quintet (for the Arditiis and Ian Pace/Nic Hodges ideally).


Well; if you insist: Did the Shostakovich #11 really make you feel as if you were "living in the Soviet Union"? And is this really meant to be a positive recommendation of the work?

You must complete that 5-tet - I'd prefer you to involve N.H, if that's O.K. with you.

As for "living in the Soviet Union". Yes, I felt terror.

(Most earlier performances of the 11th have left me unshaken and unstirred - dismaying conditions.)

Does that recommend the work?

Yes, there's now't like catharsis, is there, Sir?

[jayne lee wilson]

You self-appointed 'experts' and musicologists are a hoot, you know. It is worth coming here just to read your insights and comparison into the music you have listened to and then hurriedly search the internet for all sorts of scholarly quotes etc.
Personally, I can't be bothered; I just listen to the music and think to myself "did I enjoy that or not?".

But who appoints the Real Experts?

a) The Queen
b) David Cameron
c) The Gods in The Castle of the Universities
d) God

...try asking "why did I enjoy that or not?"

[edashtav]

You self-appointed 'experts' and musicologists are a hoot, you know.
...
Personally, I can't be bothered; I just listen to the music and think to myself "did I enjoy that or not?".

There may be musical experts and musicologists within our veiled community; to quote from you, "Personally, I can't be bothered"... to find out. I value the Internet because of its democracy: potentially, everyone has a voice and may be heard.

The lack of interest that you display in learning (via asking "why?") and, thereby, changing, may leave you in the past, constantly listening to music that you won't enjoy because you've not asked why you like/dislike this genre, that composer, or these players. To reduce life to a binary experience: 0/1; black/white or like /dislike , to "digitise" it, is to lose so many advantages offered by an "analogue" world.

The people you label as "experts' and musicologists are merely searchers after knowledge. If I have any expertise it's as a chemist. My musical life has been, and is, a journey through listening, singing, conducting and, most of all, thinking. I enjoy thinking and debating music and its performance as much as the music, itself.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Jayne, ed - leave marvin be! He enjoys reading the posts (if for not the reasons some of us would wish) ... People contribute here for all sorts of reasons - some of the comments are bound to ruffle feathers.


(I dunno - "slarty", "marvin" ... I'm waiting for zaphod to stick his boot in next.)

[edashtav]

Jayne, ed - leave marvin be! He enjoys reading the posts (if for not the reasons some of us would wish) ... People contribute here for all sorts of reasons - some of the comments are bound to ruffle feathers.


(I dunno - "slarty", "marvin" ... I'm waiting for zaphod to stick his boot in next.)

Can wait for Zaphod and his doppelganger. Didn't he / they invent the Pan Galactic Blogger Blaster ?

[cloughie]

Can wait for Zaphod and his doppelganger. Didn't he / they invent the Pan Galactic Blogger Blaster ?

...and what does he use it for?

[marvin]

There may be musical experts and musicologists within our veiled community; to quote from you, "Personally, I can't be bothered"... to find out. I value the Internet because of its democracy: potentially, everyone has a voice and may be heard.

The lack of interest that you display in learning (via asking "why?") and, thereby, changing, may leave you in the past, constantly listening to music that you won't enjoy because you've not asked why you like/dislike this genre, that composer, or these players. To reduce life to a binary experience: 0/1; black/white or like /dislike , to "digitise" it, is to lose so many advantages offered by an "analogue" world.

The people you label as "experts' and musicologists are merely searchers after knowledge. If I have any expertise it's as a chemist. My musical life has been, and is, a journey through listening, singing, conducting and, most of all, thinking. I enjoy thinking and debating music and its performance as much as the music, itself.

It is truly amazing how your conclusions of me are so wrong. Let's hope your career as a Chemist didn't lead you up so many false paths as you display here.
Incldentially, I spent 30 of my 37 years at work as an Analytical Chemist, in the Polymers industry and can assure you I was most critical and open in my work, otherwise I would not have been able to work in this field.

[edashtav]

It is truly amazing how your conclusions of me are so wrong. Let's hope your career as a Chemist didn't lead you up so many false paths as you display here.
Incldentially, I spent 30 of my 37 years at work as an Analytical Chemist, in the Polymers industry and can assure you I was most critical and open in my work, otherwise I would not have been able to work in this field.

Maybe, John Dryden described more than one chemist when he wrote:


"A man so various that he seemed to be,
Not one, but all mankind's epitome;
Stiff in opinions, always in the wrong,
Was everything by starts and nothing long;
But, in the course of one revolving moon
Was chymist, fiddler, statesman and buffoon...

[jayne lee wilson]

It is truly amazing how your conclusions of me are so wrong. Let's hope your career as a Chemist didn't lead you up so many false paths as you display here.
Incldentially, I spent 30 of my 37 years at work as an Analytical Chemist, in the Polymers industry and can assure you I was most critical and open in my work, otherwise I would not have been able to work in this field.

So we move from sneeringly dismissive (post 44) to passive-aggressive... I think Marvin can look after himself, fhg...
(He can always shut himself down if he gets TOO depressed).