Prom 5 - 15.07.13: Bamberg Symphony Orchestra

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  • edashtav
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    • Jul 2012
    • 3673

    Originally posted by Arcades Project View Post
    This remark of Lachenmann's, interviewed by Paul Steenhuisn & published in Contemporary Music Review, may help throw some light on the aim of Lachenmann's procedures & how he, at least, sees them as dialectical. For me Lachenmann's music can sound overdetermined, over-controlled, too much a closed system, but at its best I think it achieves that intensity / beauty relationship to a remarkable extent. It's not generally his fault that certain of Lachenmann's 'extended' instrumental techniques have become ubiquitous in aspects of (specifically German) contemporary composition. For Lachenmann their aim is, well almost redemptive (the son of a Protestant pastor he does use such language).

    “For me my music has as much beauty as any conventional music, maybe more. Beauty is a precious idea. I want to liberate this term from the standardised categories. I will give you an example. I used to teach children and I presented them with the music of Stockhausen, etc. They said it was not beautiful and they did not like it. I asked them what they liked, what they thought was beautiful, and they first hesitantly named some pop music. The next week, I went there and brought two pictures with me. One was an attractive photograph of the movie star Sophia Loren. The other was a drawing by Albrecht Dürer, who had drawn a picture of his mother: very old, with a long nose, a bitter-looking face. She had had a hard life and her face was full of wrinkles. I showed them the two pictures and asked, ‘Who is more beautiful?’ They were totally confused, and then came a wonderful answer I will never forget—it was the highlight of my life. A girl said, ‘I think the ugly one is more beautiful.’ This is the dialectical way. Looking at this picture, one feels the precise observation of her son. Not to make it more beautiful, not idealised, just showing it. It was full of intensity. To me, as important as beauty is the word intensity. I search for this in my music.”

    My filing systems aren't filing systems, alas, so I can't find the exact reference, I'm afraid.

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    What a helpful quote - well squirrelled Arcades Project.

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    • Barbirollians
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      • Nov 2010
      • 11791

      One might say how arrogant is that comparing for a composer to compare his own work to Durer !

      This thread sadly explains why so many people consider classical music to be elitist .

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        One might say how arrogant is that comparing for a composer to compare his own work to Durer !
        Where does Lachenmann do this, Barbie? At no point does he even mention his own work being used in his teaching.

        This thread sadly explains why so many people consider classical music to be elitist .
        You'll have to explain this; because some of us enjoyed the Lachenmann and many others didn't?
        Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 22-07-13, 15:06.
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        • mercia
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          • Nov 2010
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          Originally posted by mercia View Post
          shame it won't be on the telly, if ever there was a time when it would help me appreciate a piece by seeing as well as hearing, this would be it

          I believe the Lachenmann will be shown on BBC4 on Sunday 18th August along with all the other "modern" works that have been chopped out of TV broadcasts

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          • Bryn
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            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by mercia View Post
            I believe the Lachenmann will be shown on BBC4 on Sunday 18th August along with all the other "modern" works that have been chopped out of TV broadcasts

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/whats-on/...es/proms-on-tv
            But the link for August 18 does not work and there is no listing for the August 18 in the sequence of broadcasts shown when one scrolls down.
            Last edited by Bryn; 03-08-13, 18:45. Reason: Typos

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            • Petrushka
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12346

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              But the link for August 18 does not work and there is no listing for the August 18 in the sequence of broadcasts shown when one scrolls down.
              It is there in the listing of Proms on TV: August 18 New Music at the Proms. Presumably details will follow when the schedule is published. As I report above, I was present at the Lachenmann/Mahler Prom and can confirm that the Lachenmann was recorded for TV.
              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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              • Hornspieler
                Late Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 1847

                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                Good stuff, ferney... and interesting how the contents of the hardware store are the perennial stuff of hostile criticism...






                Played by the Gardener Quartet? (Four Candles)

                HS

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26577

                  Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
                  Played by the Gardener Quartet? (Four Candles)

                  HS
                  Hope they won't screw it up...
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • salymap
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5969

                    Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
                    Played by the Gardener Quartet? (Four Candles)

                    HS
                    I've only just seen that joke - had to dig deep,

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                    • edashtav
                      Full Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 3673

                      Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
                      Played by the Gardener Quartet? (Four Candles)

                      HS
                      It took salymap to get me to dig deeper - then it hit me like fork lightning.

                      Last edited by edashtav; 05-08-13, 09:59. Reason: typo

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25235

                        Well, via a rather zig zag path i finally saw most of the Lachenmann on iplayer.

                        A really memorable performance, a conductor who appeared to be loving his work, a genuinely intriguing piece, and a lot of humour.

                        Would have been great on the telly.
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                        • edashtav
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                          • Jul 2012
                          • 3673

                          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                          Well, via a rather zig zag path i finally saw most of the Lachenmann on iplayer.

                          A really memorable performance, a conductor who appeared to be loving his work, a genuinely intriguing piece, and a lot of humour.

                          Would have been great on the telly.
                          SPOT ON!

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