Prom 5 - 15.07.13: Bamberg Symphony Orchestra

[Flosshilde]

It may well be that those of a particular degree of musical education may be able to hear the structure behind a piece of music that escapes the general listener that may hear only noise .

Surely that applies to any piece of music, whether it's 33 years old or 330. I don't hear the structure of Mahler's 5th symphony, so to me it must be (according to you) 'only noise'. I can still enjoy the noise, just as I could enjoy the noise of the Lachenmann piece.

The ENC cliche as you describe it is to my ears apt

It's never apt - it's pure laziness, as most cliches are, masquerading as argument.

[Petrushka]

having listened all the way through and far more attentively second-time round, I realise now that was a daft comment, plenty of brass and woodwind was audible - there was only really one sound I couldn't identity, a sort of brush-sweeping sound, not sure what was making that

shame it won't be on the telly, if ever there was a time when it would help me appreciate a piece by seeing as well as hearing, this would be it

Mercia, I was there on Monday night and TV cameras definitely recorded the Lachenmann piece so we may yet get to see it on TV at some stage in the future.

[Richard Tarleton]

Sorry to interrupt the flow with such irrelevant trivia but I was trying to think who Jonathan Nott reminded me of....the jaw, the dimples, the cheekbones, the smile....

[Bryn]

Sorry to interrupt the flow with such irrelevant trivia but I was trying to think who Jonathan Nott reminded me of....the jaw, the dimples, the cheekbones, the smile....

A luteous customer, that one. Indeed, quite potty.

[Sorry, that's probably too obscure by half.]

[Flosshilde]

I got the 'luteous', but not 'potty'

Unless you simply mean that he's slightly mad.

[Bryn]

The potty was to infer the intended use of "luteous". Not as referring to pigmentation, but as relating to the potter's craft. The "customer" was aimed at serving a similar purpose.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lute--2

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[french frank]

The potty was to infer the intended of "luteous". Not as referring to pigmentation, but as relating to the potter's craft. The "customer" was aimed at serving a similar purpose.

Odd what you come upon when you click on 'Go to last post'

[Richard Tarleton]

Sorry I started this

[Bryn]

It was that James Joyce what started it. I can't see the words "lute" or "luteous" without thinking slippery, watery clay since struggling through Ulysses in my teens with the family OED by my side.

[french frank]

A surreal element to the thread is probably quite appropriate - no need to apologise

[Flosshilde]

The potty was to infer the intended use of "luteous". Not as referring to pigmentation, but as relating to the potter's craft. The "customer" was aimed at serving a similar purpose.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lute--2

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I don't think I've ever come across 'lute' referring to the substance, just the process. I would use 'slip'.

[amateur51]

The editing out of the Lachenmann is all the more philistine because Nott is a noted advocate of his music and conducts plenty of 'modern music' in Bamberg. What's the point of getting him over if you're going to remove the performance of a piece that you (the BBC) believe that Janet & Joe Public wouldn't like

That distant rumbling noise is Lord Reith rotating

[edashtav]

The editing out of the Lachenmann is all the more philistine because Nott is a noted advocate of his music and conducts plenty of 'modern music' in Bamberg. What's the point of getting him over if you're going to remove the performance of a piece that you (the BBC) believe that Janet & Joe Public wouldn't like

That distant rumbling noise is Lord Reith rotating

Well said.

[cloughie]

Well said.

Whether it is good listening or not it should be played and heard - how else do we decide?

[amateur51]

Whether it is good listening or not it should be played and heard - how else do we decide?

Exactly cloughie - we are consenting adults after all