Proms 2 & 3 - 13-14.07.13: Doctor Who Proms

[french frank]

How about introducing a young audience to the idea of live concerts?

It gives a very strange idea of a live concert. Unless it's a combination of a variety show and a pop concert.

I've given up after 35 minutes. There's some music, yes, but most of it won't be new to them anyway. And 2 minutes of Bizet's Habanera from Carmen. I really can't see this as an effective way of introducing young people to classical music. By all means play it on Doctor Who (it was), but why bother to put on a whole 'Prom' to scatter a crumb or two?

[Nick Armstrong]

everybody was thoroughly enjoying themselves

(tut-tut)

I'm sure. But so would they if you just put a massive bouncy castle in the arena and hosed everyone with foam while playing bits of 'Carmen'. I've never understood where and how the link with Dr Who and Prom concerts came about, or why. There's the Derbyshire/Grainer electronic theme music... but no other musical link. Just a BBC branding thing, presumably - picking their most popular product. If ITV ran the Proms, we'd have the Coronation Street Prom, I guess. Daaaaaaa-daaa-daaa- da-da-da...

[french frank]

Just a BBC branding thing, presumably - picking their most popular product. If ITV ran the Proms, we'd have the Coronation Street Prom, I guess.

I did say something along those lines but deleted it (not that I don't think it true).

But this is another example of BBC bad faith - saying one thing and doing another. There is a classical music supremo, coordinating the performance of classical music across the BBC services. Why? They don't care about it. Why nothing on children's television? Why not a bit more coordination in the use of classical music, especially on children's shows (and begging the pardon of To Whom It May Concern, I have a young(ish) relative who has earned his entire living from Doctor Who for a number of years and he's quite clear: it's for children. Adults can enjoy it, but they don't have to be fanatical about it. Nigel Kennedy for the next doctor!!!)

[Beef Oven]

I've never ever watched Dr Who

That is simply not possible.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Certainly not. But I heard no patronisation is tonight's concert.

I'm pleased to hear it. My concerns are based upon the current education policy of an organisation called SingUp, that organoses large-scale masses singing events - laudable, you might suppose, but in practice nothing more than kids-could-not-possibly-like-anything-other-than-loud-rock-style-music-and-we're-too-scared-to-try-anything-else-so-that's-what-they'll-get-and-how-stupid-and-old-fashioned-it-would-be-to-do-anything-else.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

triangulation mebbe? .... answering the elitist case before it is made .... Proms Elitist? never! We Did Dr Who! ... the kids loved it etc etc etc ... there are enough carpet bagging politicians in hock to Rothermere Rags etc to make this case, it really is one in the nose for the Mail's commercially motivated campaign to discredit AUNT ...

or strangulation perhaps ......


but not dumb .....

[EdgeleyRob]

That is simply not possible.

Very strange Beefy I know,but very true,never seen the programme.

[PJPJ]

I'm sure. But so would they if you just put a massive bouncy castle in the arena and hosed everyone with foam while playing bits of 'Carmen'. I've never understood where and how the link with Dr Who and Prom concerts came about, or why. There's the Derbyshire/Grainer electronic theme music... but no other musical link. Just a BBC branding thing, presumably - picking their most popular product. If ITV ran the Proms, we'd have the Coronation Street Prom, I guess. Daaaaaaa-daaa-daaa- da-da-da...

My copy of the score has your last da as daaa - do you have the urtext or a revised version? Or is that the Anthony Payne completion?

[Nick Armstrong]

My copy of the score has your last da as daaa - do you have the urtext or a revised version? Or is that the Anthony Payne completion?

[amateur51]

+1

[VodkaDilc]

I'm sure. But so would they if you just put a massive bouncy castle in the arena and hosed everyone with foam while playing bits of 'Carmen'. I've never understood where and how the link with Dr Who and Prom concerts came about, or why. There's the Derbyshire/Grainer electronic theme music... but no other musical link. Just a BBC branding thing, presumably - picking their most popular product. If ITV ran the Proms, we'd have the Coronation Street Prom, I guess. Daaaaaaa-daaa-daaa- da-da-da...

There would be scope for an excellent Coronation Street themed Prom. The evocative signature tune, of course, but also a wealth of music premièred by the Hallé and an excuse to hear music by the Manchester School of Goehr, Maxwell Davies and Birtwistle. Then there's music written for John Ogden, not to mention performances from musicians who went to Chethams or the RNCM. (Paul Lewis might be more satisfying as a pianist than the one who caused so much griping on the First Night!) I think Caliban is on to something here - certainly more musically satisfying than the Dr Who business.

[french frank]

Might happen if they sold off the Proms to ITV! :shudder:

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

There would be scope for an excellent Coronation Street themed Prom.

There is also scope for an excellent Doctor Who-themed Prom, with Music by Delia Derbyshire, Tristram Cary, Richard Rodney Bennet, Carey Blyton - and all the other composers who wrote pioneering Electronic and Electro-Acoustic scores for the first two decades of the show.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I've watched Dr Whon Eastenders, Dallas and other of similar ilk, but I've never watched a single episode of Coronation Street. All I know about it is that there's a pub called The Rover's Return, and that there was once someone called Elsie Tanner. Am I missing anything?
The ITV Proms

[EdgeleyRob]

I've watched Dr Whon Eastenders, Dallas and other of similar ilk, but I've never watched a single episode of Coronation Street. All I know about it is that there's a pub called The Rover's Return, and that there was once someone called Elsie Tanner. Am I missing anything?
The ITV Proms

There was a time when I never missed an episode of Corrie and Emmerdale Farm (before it became just Emmerdale,Dolly Skilbeck,remember her ? ),but I haven't watched either show for about 20 odd years.
I've never seen an episode of Eastenders,although I have heard of Dirty Den