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  • Stanley Stewart
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1071

    A Proms postlude

    I intended to do an overnight hard disk/DVD transfer of the Last Night Prom (2013), Part I - 93 mins & Pt II 99 mins. This left space for a 50 mins fill-in on a 240 mins DVD. An enjoyable tussle as I mulled over the possibilties. I'd already transferred the Late Night TV Proms which usually had a running time of 75-90 mins but realised - a sudden magnificent obsession - that a suitable companion would be the 1997 documentary, "Modern Times - Prommers" and was relieved to see that it ran to 49 mins, ideal! I'm sure that a few members will already have this fascinating insight on their shelves as I discussed it a few years ago - the R3 boards - or, erm, another place? I seem to recall a response from David Underdown and smiled as i noted that he was listed as a viewer today. Still contributing as a collector for musical charities, David? £85,000+ this year. Congratulations and thanks to you all for your time and effort.

    The 'Prommers' documentary remains good archive material representing 'a world elsewhere' and it is also a touching reminder of a few faces still familiar from my years as a Prommer from the early
    60s. The loner in the 'day trippers' front rail who always wore a harris tweed jacket and used a Colin Davis gift of a baton to conduct Land of Hope & Glory, out-of-time! Recognised, too, the white haired man with matching walrus moustache who regulariy appeared, like the Scarlet Pimpernel, at the top of the stairs, at the nearside Exit, to the Season Ticket holders. In the film, he is seen seated on the chairs surrounding the fountain. The last discussion ascertained that they had both shuffled off this mortal coil.

    I still feel a slight unease at the eccentricities of the Season Ticket stalwarts who have the stamina to queue for 400 hours throughout a season but am not surprised that they are strictly territorial about their space and fully alert to the late comers who try to elbow their way to the front beyond the clearly indicated white line. One or two of those regulars could still be seen in their 'place' until a year or two ago. In 1997, a feisty lady, Sue, "the uncrowned Queen of the Proms" dominated her squad and viewers could even join- in on her birthday celebrations. We even got to know the the amateur conductor who plighted his troth to another Susie - "the best librarian ever" who assisted him in recruiting and rehearsing a scratch orchestra from the regulars with a one- and only- early afternoon performance in the portals of the Hall, towards the end of the season. Touched, too, to realise that '97 was also the year when Colin Davis deputised for George Solti who had died a week before he was due to conduct the Verdi Requiem; this year, in turn, Sir Colin had to be replaced for Prom 51, (20 August).

    Always a pleasure to see the surrounding environs of the RAH and to see so many expectant faces seeking a new experience in the power of music and performance in the extraordinary ambience of the cavernous auditorium. Small pleasures, too, in watching a red coat, presumably a 'resting' singer, exercise his tonsils in an empty Arena with a rendition of "Just one cornetto..."

    "O Divine music,
    Renew our hearts." King Priam
  • PhilipT
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 423

    #2
    Gosh, that takes me back. I had a couple of walk-on parts in that, including one as someone being offered a cup of coffee (or tea, I forget). David will probably respond personally, but I can tell you that he is still a trustee of the PMC, and was on the front row on Saturday night, next to his wife Jo whom he met in the Season Ticket queue in 2002. Sue, sadly, retired from promming last season in regrettable circumstances involving an argument with the Stewards over a parasol; the queue isn't the same without her. Susie was also at the Last Night though her husband no longer proms although he does visit the queue occasionally - their wedding was, umm, quite a bash, I recall.

    The collection this year went over £86,000 at the Last Night - we collected a smidgen short of £4,000 on the night - but the final figure won't be in until the foreign exchange is sorted. I'm sure David will be here with the exact number in due course, or you could follow PMC on Twitter.
    Last edited by PhilipT; 09-09-13, 13:16. Reason: Days mixed up

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    • Stanley Stewart
      Late Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1071

      #3
      Thanks for the update, Philip. It enhanced my pleasure in watching the documentary again to lessen a sense of Proms withdrawal symptoms! Indeed, I may have located you in close-up as a Steward coordinated his checklist with the queue outside the Hall, during the last couple of days in the 1997 season. He approached a young man in rimless specs, looked at his list and said, "Philip"? which was acknowledged. Your good self? I trust you also have a copy of the programme? If not, this can be remedied with my compliments, of course.

      I also fast-forwarded the DVD to watch the Bernstein items, a rather special Chichester Psalms and a full-throated 'Make our garden grow' from "Candide" reminded me of 'Lenny's' final concert at the Barbican, 13 Dec 1989 - when the artists and audience were smitten by a 'flu bug - a concentrated effort from all concerned to muffle the coughs and sneezes. A remarkable evening now much valued on DVD, a transfer from video.

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      • amateur51

        #4
        Originally posted by PhilipT View Post
        Gosh, that takes me back. I had a couple of walk-on parts in that, including one as someone being offered a cup of coffee (or tea, I forget). David will probably respond personally, but I can tell you that he is still a trustee of the PMC, and was on the front row on Saturday night, next to his wife Jo whom he met in the Season Ticket queue in 2002. Sue, sadly, retired from promming last season in regrettable circumstances involving an argument with the Stewards over a parasol; the queue isn't the same without her. Susie was also at the Last Night though her husband no longer proms although he does visit the queue occasionally - their wedding was, umm, quite a bash, I recall.

        The collection this year went over £86,000 at the Last Night - we collected a smidgen short of £4,000 on the night - but the final figure won't be in until the foreign exchange is sorted. I'm sure David will be here with the exact number in due course, or you could follow PMC on Twitter.
        That's a terrific sum - well done all!

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        • David Underdown

          #5
          We can announce the final distribution of monies:

          Musicians' Benevolent Fund: £36 000
          CLIC Sargent: £20 000
          Live Music Now: £17 160
          Voices Foundation:£9 140
          Handel House Museum: £4 500

          The headline total was £87 014.38, a small balance of £214.38 being retained as a reserve.

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          • amateur51

            #6
            Originally posted by David Underdown View Post
            We can announce the final distribution of monies:

            Musicians' Benevolent Fund: £36 000
            CLIC Sargent: £20 000
            Live Music Now: £17 160
            Voices Foundation:£9 140
            Handel House Museum: £4 500

            The headline total was £87 014.38, a small balance of £214.38 being retained as a reserve.
            Many thanks for this David Underdown

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30530

              #7
              Originally posted by David Underdown View Post
              We can announce the final distribution of monies:

              Musicians' Benevolent Fund: £36 000
              CLIC Sargent: £20 000
              Live Music Now: £17 160
              Voices Foundation:£9 140
              Handel House Museum: £4 500

              The headline total was £87 014.38, a small balance of £214.38 being retained as a reserve.
              There will be a lot of people very grateful to those who gave and those who did all the organisation for collecting and distributing. Good effort!
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Stanley Stewart
                Late Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1071

                #8
                Indeed, 'benevolent' is so many deserving aspects. Thank you, David.

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                • Petrushka
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12341

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Stanley Stewart View Post
                  I intended to do an overnight hard disk/DVD transfer of the Last Night Prom (2013), Part I - 93 mins & Pt II 99 mins. This left space for a 50 mins fill-in on a 240 mins DVD. An enjoyable tussle as I mulled over the possibilties. I'd already transferred the Late Night TV Proms which usually had a running time of 75-90 mins but realised - a sudden magnificent obsession - that a suitable companion would be the 1997 documentary, "Modern Times - Prommers" and was relieved to see that it ran to 49 mins, ideal! I'm sure that a few members will already have this fascinating insight on their shelves as I discussed it a few years ago - the R3 boards - or, erm, another place? I seem to recall a response from David Underdown and smiled as i noted that he was listed as a viewer today. Still contributing as a collector for musical charities, David? £85,000+ this year. Congratulations and thanks to you all for your time and effort.

                  The 'Prommers' documentary remains good archive material representing 'a world elsewhere' and it is also a touching reminder of a few faces still familiar from my years as a Prommer from the early
                  60s. The loner in the 'day trippers' front rail who always wore a harris tweed jacket and used a Colin Davis gift of a baton to conduct Land of Hope & Glory, out-of-time! Recognised, too, the white haired man with matching walrus moustache who regulariy appeared, like the Scarlet Pimpernel, at the top of the stairs, at the nearside Exit, to the Season Ticket holders. In the film, he is seen seated on the chairs surrounding the fountain. The last discussion ascertained that they had both shuffled off this mortal coil.

                  I still feel a slight unease at the eccentricities of the Season Ticket stalwarts who have the stamina to queue for 400 hours throughout a season but am not surprised that they are strictly territorial about their space and fully alert to the late comers who try to elbow their way to the front beyond the clearly indicated white line. One or two of those regulars could still be seen in their 'place' until a year or two ago. In 1997, a feisty lady, Sue, "the uncrowned Queen of the Proms" dominated her squad and viewers could even join- in on her birthday celebrations. We even got to know the the amateur conductor who plighted his troth to another Susie - "the best librarian ever" who assisted him in recruiting and rehearsing a scratch orchestra from the regulars with a one- and only- early afternoon performance in the portals of the Hall, towards the end of the season. Touched, too, to realise that '97 was also the year when Colin Davis deputised for George Solti who had died a week before he was due to conduct the Verdi Requiem; this year, in turn, Sir Colin had to be replaced for Prom 51, (20 August).

                  Always a pleasure to see the surrounding environs of the RAH and to see so many expectant faces seeking a new experience in the power of music and performance in the extraordinary ambience of the cavernous auditorium. Small pleasures, too, in watching a red coat, presumably a 'resting' singer, exercise his tonsils in an empty Arena with a rendition of "Just one cornetto..."

                  "O Divine music,
                  Renew our hearts." King Priam
                  I remember that documentary very well plus another from 1995 called, IIRC, 'One Prom Short of a Season'. I fondly remember the gentleman with the walrus moustache, always standing in the same place at every Prom I attended - what became of him I wonder? I think I know who PhilipT is. Little did he know he was walking passed Petrushka on a number of occasions in the environs of the RAH this season just gone (and a few before)!
                  "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                  • bluestateprommer
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3023

                    #10
                    1st tidbit on 2014 Proms

                    Very nice to read the PMC total for the season; well done by all concerned.

                    Well, perhaps more of a prelude, albeit one ridiculously far in advance, to this year's Proms, concerning next year's Proms, namely the first tidbit about 2014, specifically the Glyndebourne Prom on Tuesday 22 July 2014. The source is the American bass Scott Conner's site:



                    "BBC Proms
                    Der Polizeikommisar in Der Rosenkavalier by R. Strauss.
                    Proms BBC Live broadcast from The Royal Albert Hall
                    July 22nd, 2014"
                    From Glyndebourne's website, the full details of the cast are as follows:



                    The Marschallin: Kate Royal
                    Octavian: Tara Erraught
                    Baron Ochs auf Lerchenau: Lars Woldt
                    Sophie: Teodora Gheorghiu
                    Herr von Faninal: Michael Kraus
                    Marianne Leitmetzerin: Miranda Keys
                    Valzacchi: Christopher Gillett
                    Annina: Helene Schneiderman
                    Notary: Gwynne Howell
                    Italian Singer: Andrej Dunaev
                    Innkeeper: Robert Wörle
                    Police Commissioner: Scott Conner

                    Conductor: Robin Ticciati
                    Director: Richard Jones

                    The guess is that this will be a semi-staged performance.

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                    • Stanley Stewart
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1071

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                      I remember that documentary very well plus another from 1995 called, IIRC, 'One Prom Short of a Season'. I fondly remember the gentleman with the walrus moustache, always standing in the same place at every Prom I attended - what became of him I wonder? I think I know who PhilipT is. Little did he know he was walking passed Petrushka on a number of occasions in the environs of the RAH this season just gone (and a few before)!
                      Thanks, Petrushka. Some years ago, on the R3 boards, I recall discussing the regular last minute appearance of the gentleman with the walrus moustache, a ubiquitous presence during the season, and was sad to hear of his death as well of the demise of front- rail day tripper, David Brown(?).

                      I still have affectionate remembrances of Colin Davis who died earlier this year. Decided to extend my Proms DVD library by transferring two off-air videos with a distinct improvement in sound and picture, featuring Sir Colin conducting two concerts featuring young musicians and his close rapport with them.

                      First, Prom 66, Sat, 3 Sept, 2005: BBC 2, Copland - Fanfare for the Common Man; RVW Sym 6 and, after the interval, Berlioz Sym fantastique. Juilliard Orch & Orch of the RAM. Quite inspiring to watch these separate forces gell as one and Sir Colin's influence was discussed in the interval feature. He only got tetchy on one occasion and made it quite clear that they should stop playing when he stopped conducting as 'he had something to say'! I also warmed to his tendency to share the audience applause with his players, at stage level, only mounting the podium to conduct.

                      The second Prom, Sat, 11 Aug 2007, BBC 2. Brahms - Tragic Overture & Sym 3. The interval discussion followed by a searing Sib 5; European Union YO. This also encouraged me to transfer the two Christopher Nupen documentaries on Sibelius to DVD.

                      Gratified to get the two Proms on one DVD as I was aware from the timings that it could only be done with seconds to spare. These concerts are really masterworks and I'm sure that others have gladly made shelf room for these treasures.
                      Last edited by Stanley Stewart; 05-11-13, 16:04. Reason: typos

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                      • Petrushka
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12341

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Stanley Stewart View Post
                        Thanks, Petrushka. Some years ago, on the R3 boards, I recall discussing the regular last minute appearance of the gentleman with the walrus moustache, a ubiquitous presence during the season, and was sad to hear of his death as well of the demise of front- rail day tripper, David Brown(?).

                        I still have affectionate remembrances of Colin Davis who died earlier this year. Decided to extend my Proms DVD library by transferring two off-air videos with a distinct improvement in sound and picture, featuring Sir Colin conducting two concerts featuring young musicians and his close rapport with them.

                        First, Prom 66, Sat, 3 Sept, 2005: BBC 2, Copland - Fanfare for the Common Man; RVW Sym 6 and, after the interval, Berlioz Sym fantastique. Juilliard Orch & Orch of the RAM. Quite inspiring to watch these separate forces gell as one and Sir Colin's influence was discussed in the interval feature. He only got tetchy on one occasion and made it quite clear that they should stop playing when he stopped conducting as 'he had something to say'! I also warmed to his tendency to share the audience applause with his players, at stage level, only mounting the podium to conduct.

                        The second Prom, Sat, 11 Aug 2007, BBC 2. Brahms - Tragic Overture & Sym 3. The interval discussion followed by a searing Sib 5; European Union YO. This also encouraged me to transfer the two Christopher Nupen documentaries on Sibelius to DVD.

                        Gratified to get the two Proms on one DVD as I was aware from the timings that it could only be done with seconds to spare. These concerts are really masterworks and I'm sure that others have gladly made shelf room for these treasures.
                        I was at both of those Colin Davis Proms, Stanley, and they were marvellous. I too have them preserved on DVD.
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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