Sea songs; a lamentation.

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  • barwickgreen
    • Jan 2025

    Sea songs; a lamentation.

    Bit annoyed they are off the menu this year. Anyone know if they are not liked by the intellectuals? Will they come back?They were represented by a twee version a few years ago, which I did not like.

    B Green
  • EnemyoftheStoat
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1136

    #2
    Originally posted by barwickgreen View Post
    Bit annoyed they are off the menu this year. Anyone know if they are not liked by the intellectuals? Will they come back?They were represented by a twee version a few years ago, which I did not like.

    B Green
    They have been back since. Do pay attention.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 20576

      #3
      Blame me for their variable presence. I made such a song and dance about the politically correct extra bits by Bob Chilcott, which simply would not go away. A year later, the whole set was omitted from the Last Night, which had not been my intention.

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      • VodkaDilc

        #4
        In these days of authenticity, it's ironic that all and sundry feel qualified to add and subtract from the Sea Songs. I think I'd rather do without than have edited highlights or, even worse, unauthorised additions. (see Eine Alpen above.)

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        • barwickgreen

          #5
          Originally posted by EnemyoftheStoat View Post
          They have been back since. Do pay attention.
          I know. I said 'off the menu this year'. Do pay attention.

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #6
            I am very muchy annoyed that the 'powers that be' seem to change things for the sake of them, or so it looks?
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • PhilipT
              Full Member
              • May 2011
              • 423

              #7
              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
              I am very muchy annoyed that the 'powers that be' seem to change things for the sake of them, or so it looks?
              Well, I'd be a bit annoyed if things stayed the same every year. I'm sure the Sea Songs will be back (but will we get 'Spanish Ladies'?).

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              • MrGongGong
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 18357

                #8
                Originally posted by PhilipT View Post
                I'm sure the Sea Songs will be back (but will we get 'Spanish Ladies'?).
                or even this ?

                Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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                • salymap
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5969

                  #9
                  If I really want the Henry Wood SeaSongs, Arne-Sargent Rule Britannia etc I have aCD from thn BBCMM ofthe 1961 last night.

                  Can'tsay I'veplayed it much but nice to knowit's there.

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                  • Pabmusic
                    Full Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    #10
                    I don't mind very much. The Wood Seasongs was written for the centenary of Trafalgar and is associated with the Proms only because Sir Henry began including it whenever possible - first night as well. It became a Last Night fixture only in Sargent's time.

                    I was always annoyed (right from the age of 9 or ten) that there's just one genuine sea (folk) song - Spanish Ladies - among the Georgian and Victorian ballads and garnerings from the classics! At least Jack's the Lad is genuine too.

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                    • Hornspieler
                      Late Member
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 1847

                      #12
                      I have a CD (courtesy of the Sunday Telegraph) of the RPO playing the original Henry Wood Sea Songs.

                      Nothing added, nothing taken away.

                      I shall play through them repeatedly on Saturday night (while watching English Football on TV)

                      Care to join me, TS?

                      HS

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                      • barwickgreen

                        #13
                        Originally posted by PhilipT View Post
                        Well, I'd be a bit annoyed if things stayed the same every year. I'm sure the Sea Songs will be back (but will we get 'Spanish Ladies'?).
                        I quite like the idea of having a bit that doesn't change. Otherwise, given time and the general direction of thought in the arts, you will have Smack My Bitch up on the Last Night.

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                        • MrGongGong
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 18357

                          #14
                          Originally posted by barwickgreen View Post
                          I quite like the idea of having a bit that doesn't change. Otherwise, given time and the general direction of thought in the arts, you will have Smack My Bitch up on the Last Night.
                          Conducted by Petrenko ?

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                          • PhilipT
                            Full Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 423

                            #15
                            Originally posted by barwickgreen View Post
                            I quite like the idea of having a bit that doesn't change. Otherwise, given time and the general direction of thought in the arts, you will have Smack My Bitch up on the Last Night.
                            That's not a work I'm familiar with. I've been at Last Nights that featured works as varied as Peter Maxwell Davies' Orkney Wedding, with Sunrise, Harrison Birtwistle's Panic, and Malcolm Arnold's A Grand, Grand Overture, and I don't see, in principle, why other works should be excluded.

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