Seems a funny idea to me................................

[salymap]

If Auntie wants new listeners/viewers it seems odd to lump all the new works together on BBC4 tonight.

Once more we are treated like infants who have their food cut up for them



Apologies if this has been aired elsewhere.

[Nick Armstrong]

I agree saly. There have been references to this elsewhere, e.g. on the TV Proms thread, where Anna also takes your view, as well as the allied point about doing violence to concert programmes that are presumably conceived with some care

e.g.

Fair point mercia, we can watch the Lachenmann, MacMillan and D. Matthews - if we have a computer and are not worried about bandwidth usage and want to sit in front of a computer with perhaps inadequate speakers. But what about all this stuff about bringing New Music to the Great Unwashed sitting down together in the front parlour - I thought that meant via tv broadcasts? Oh, and cutting out the classical bits from the Urban Prom on tv?
(Sorry to appear bad tempered, but I think this BBC policy stinks)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I totally agree, sals (and with Anna's comment in Cali's quotation) - I don't think that you are the one who needs to apologise.

[teamsaint]

Its also pretty disrespectful to all of those involved in the creative process.
I wonder what Prokofiev and DSCH would have thought about the treatment of the Colin Matthews piece from prom 21 , for example.

[amateur51]

Not even Sky or Classic FM would do this, one imagines

[Bryn]

Not even Sky or Classic FM would do this, one imagines

At the risk of seeming Peevish, do bear in mind Sky Arts' recently inaugurated association with Wigmore Hall concerts. I am almost tempted to take up one of the many entreaties from Virgin Media to sign up for one of their packages which include SA2.

http://www.wigmore-hall.org.uk/about-us/news/wigmore-hall-launches-a-new-tv-series-of-chamber-music-broadcasts-to-include-iestyn-da#skyschedule

[salymap]

When I listened to the radio or attended concerts as a teenager Shost,Bartok, Kodaly, etc were discovered along with th music I'd grown up with.

I'm nor keeping up with ALL the new stuff atm but object to the way we're being spoon-fed little bits and pieces.

[Petrushka]

I agree with all of the above but having said that I was present at both the Lachenmann and Colin Matthews Proms and both pieces were filmed in their entirety so I remain hopeful that we will yet see the whole of the concerts as planned perhaps when repeated sometime in the future.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, the Lachenmann in particular was an extremely tough listen and you can imagine punters switching on to hear Mahler 5 which made up the rest of that programme will rapidly switch off again once they reach their boredom threshold with the Lachenmann. I've listened to lots of modern music and it even tested mine. I can, just about, see where Auntie is coming from but make it clear that I don't agree with it.

[amateur51]

At the risk of seeming Peevish, do bear in mind Sky Arts' recently inaugurated association with Wigmore Hall concerts. I am almost tempted to take up one of the many entreaties from Virgin Media to sign up for one of their packages which include SA2.

http://www.wigmore-hall.org.uk/about...da#skyschedule

I was referring to the approach that salymap describes as spoon-feeding which seems pretty much spot-on to me. Sky's approach to the Wigmore Hall Concerts appears to be 'turn the camera on and GO!' - until it goes wildly wrong, it seems to be a good idea

[Richard Tarleton]

I was referring to the approach that salymap describes as spoon-feeding which seems pretty much spot-on to me.

As an ornithologist the analogy that occurred to me is that of the seabird returning to its nest with a gullet full of half-digested fish ready to regurgitate into the beaks of its eager young. Think of Tom Service as a sort of parent herring gull, you the viewer taps on the red spot on his cheek to stimulate him to tip the softened-up pap into your willing ear.

Sky's approach to the Wigmore Hall Concerts appears to be 'turn the camera on and GO!' - until it goes wildly wrong, it seems to be a good idea

The advantage of the Sky Arts approach is that there is not a presenter in sight. It's not unlike the experience of, er, going to a concert. There's a subtitle, someone comes on and plays, goes off. Ams do mean until the camera breaks down? Because there's no more danger of something going wildly wrong than at any other concert.

[amateur51]

As an ornithologist the analogy that occurred to me is that of the seabird returning to its nest with a gullet full of half-digested fish ready to regurgitate into the beaks of its eager young. Think of Tom Service as a sort of parent herring gull, you the viewer taps on the red spot on his cheek to stimulate him to tip the softened-up pap into your willing ear.



The advantage of the Sky Arts approach is that there is not a presenter in sight. It's not unlike the experience of, er, going to a concert. There's a subtitle, someone comes on and plays, goes off. Ams do mean until the camera breaks down? Because there's no more danger of something going wildly wrong than at any other concert.

Lovely analogy RT tho' I'm not sure that Tom Service will thank you

I'm just thinking of times like when several members of the audience stood up to denounce Israeli's repressive activities against the Palestinian people (WH); or when a pedal strut fell off Stephen Kovacevich's piano (QEH); or when an audience member had an epileptic fit while Shura Cherkassky carried on playing Chopin Préludes (QEH)

[mercia]

the Lachenmann and Colin Matthews Proms and both pieces were filmed in their entirety

at the risk of repeating myself, the Lachenmann is available to watch online, but before anyone jumps on me, I'm fully aware that this is not the same as being on TV as part of the whole concert etc. etc. etc. etc. - I'm simply informing anyone who might be unaware of its existence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01cmbzg

[Nick Armstrong]

Think of Tom Service as a sort of parent herring gull

More of a booby in my mind...

[Richard Tarleton]

Lovely analogy RT tho' I'm not sure that Tom Service will thank you

I'm just thinking of times like when several members of the audience stood up to denounce Israeli's repressive activities against the Palestinian people (WH); or when a pedal strut fell off Stephen Kovacevich's piano (QEH); or when an audience member had an epileptic fit while Shura Cherkassky carried on playing Chopin Préludes (QEH)

Ah yes there are those.......we need a Katie or whoever to tell us what's going on - or not, in a recent example, can't quite remember, was it the Proms a year or two ago? And that Quartet beginning with J at the Wigmore.....

[Petrushka]

at the risk of repeating myself, the Lachenmann is available to watch online, but before anyone jumps on me, I'm aware that that's not the same as being on TV as part of the whole concert etc. etc. etc. etc. - I'm simply informing anyone who might be unaware of its existence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01cmbzg

Thanks for this, mercia. As it happens, I am one of those unaware of its existence until now. The BBC don't like to make things easy to find do they?