Beethoven 7 - Oh that dreadful applause between movements!

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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30530

    #91
    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    the sneering tone that some here have adopted in their expressions of dislike for not only the practice but the practitioners
    I'm not sure how the sneering tone is conveyed though I can see there would be no love for those others who were spoiling their enjoyment. Re JW, I think it does get a bit ridiculous when performers e.g. Pires ask for people not to applaud and people still feel they have some sort of 'right' to do so if they wish.

    As I've said, someone is going to have their enjoyment diminished; in practice, it will be the people don't want the applause. I'm still not convinced that it's snobbery to say that.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • pastoralguy
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7820

      #92
      Although I don't personally like applause between movements there are rare occasions when it is merited. The one that always sticks in my mind was an up and coming violinist getting a standing ovation at the end of the first movementin the Tchaikovsky concerto in the Kelvin Hall, Glasgow, circa. June 1979 with the SNO under Chris Seaman. I've never seen or heard that again.

      The fiddle player was a very young Nigel Kennedy. (Whatever happened to him...?!)

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #93
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        I'm not sure how the sneering tone is conveyed ...
        How about the use of the description "inane" in the OP and several other messages here, for starters?

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        • KipperKid

          #94
          I'm for clapping at the end of each movement. I also think that those who make the rules should allow us to applaud at the end of a well executed passage or difficult solo. It doesn't spoil jazz concerts, so what's the fuss all about?

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          • pastoralguy
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            • Nov 2010
            • 7820

            #95
            Originally posted by KipperKid View Post
            I'm for clapping at the end of each movement. I also think that those who make the rules should allow us to applaud at the end of a well executed passage or difficult solo. It doesn't spoil jazz concerts, so what's the fuss all about?
            Mmm... Ok. So while the principle flute is being cheered for their solo no-one is listening to my much practiced violin solo?! Don't think it really applies to classical music.

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            • cloughie
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              • Dec 2011
              • 22215

              #96
              Originally posted by KipperKid View Post
              I'm for clapping at the end of each movement. I also think that those who make the rules should allow us to applaud at the end of a well executed passage or difficult solo. It doesn't spoil jazz concerts, so what's the fuss all about?
              Be careful what you wish for. The LSO Live label has many live recordings of symphonies, concerti, symphonic suites etc. You would like all that clapping to be on your CDs of these performances. In addition we'll have a few interruptions with applause in the middle of the long ballet scores - wow how that would improve Firebird and Daphnis and Chloe, or maybe each section of Mother Goose - yes, well perhaps not!!!!

              Methinks you've fallen into a clap trap!

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              • KipperKid

                #97
                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                Be careful what you wish for. The LSO Live label has many live recordings of symphonies, concerti, symphonic suites etc. You would like all that clapping to be on your CDs of these performances. In addition we'll have a few interruptions with applause in the middle of the long ballet scores - wow how that would improve Firebird and Daphnis and Chloe, or maybe each section of Mother Goose - yes, well perhaps not!!!!

                Methinks you've fallen into a clap trap!
                I would exempt Mother Goose (one of MR's best compositions), but nothing else you say worries me (I have more CDs than I could listen to if I lived to 150).

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                • KipperKid

                  #98
                  Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                  Mmm... Ok. So while the principle flute is being cheered for their solo no-one is listening to my much practiced violin solo?! Don't think it really applies to classical music.
                  What is a principle flute?

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                  • cloughie
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                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22215

                    #99
                    Originally posted by KipperKid View Post
                    I would exempt Mother Goose (one of MR's best compositions), but nothing else you say worries me (I have more CDs than I could listen to if I lived to 150).
                    As Jonny Mac would say 'YCBS' but if you are I guess you and Bryn might be in a small minority on these boards.

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                    • pastoralguy
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7820

                      Originally posted by KipperKid View Post
                      What is a principle flute?
                      Ask James Galway...

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                      • cloughie
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                        • Dec 2011
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                        Originally posted by KipperKid View Post
                        What is a principle flute?
                        A rude mechanical in Shakespeare's MND.

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                        • KipperKid

                          Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                          Ask James Galway...
                          I txted him and he said he was principal flute

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                          • cloughie
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22215

                            Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                            Ask James Galway...
                            Why is his spelling/grammar dodgy? Sorry pg I think KK's showing his pedantry!

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                            • pastoralguy
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7820

                              Originally posted by KipperKid View Post
                              I txted him and he said he was principal flute
                              Yes, but I have half a bottle of Glenfiddich sloshing around inside me so I suggest you don't take my spelling too seriously. As Churchill said when approached by a woman who complained he was drunk, he replied "and you're ugly, Madam. However, in the morning I'll be sober..."

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                              • KipperKid

                                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                                Why is his spelling/grammar dodgy? Sorry pg I think KK's showing his pedantry!
                                My spelling and grammer is know better, I was just asking four clarity. Pastoral could of answered.

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