Prom 36 (9.6.12): Glamorous Night: A Celebration of Ivor Novello

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  • ahinton
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    • Nov 2010
    • 16123

    #16
    The notion of music being nostalgic (or indeed anything else) before it's written surely at least confers upon its composer some kind of premonitory gift or a sense of prescience or something, however unnecessary either might have been in the circumstances. But no matter; whatever Ivor Novello's music might be - or rather might have been - suitable for, a Prom concert, however late, just isn't it, to my mind. I agree that most of it's pretty milk-and-waterish compared to the best of Rodgers & Hammerstein / Hart or, for that matter, Kern and Berlin - and it usually comes across as woefully lacking in imagination and vitality when considered alongside the work of Gershwin and Porter; its principal characteristic seems to be an embarassingly narrow range of a certain kind of gloopy sentimentality, repeated over and over again with insufficient difference between one show and another - less Glamorous Night than Glutinous and Trite.

    It may come as some surprise to some here that, many years ago, in another incarnation, I ran the Pump Room Trio in Bath (which still exists today) and, in those far-off days, it was almost as mandatory to provide selections from some of his shows as it was to include the Viennese light classics - you know - Schönberg, Berg, Mahler (not!) - as though some kind of revival of a bygone age that never really occurred was expected of it, even by young people, at wedding receptions, corporate functions and the like as well as over the coffee and tea cups in the Pump Room itself; it always struck me just how weak-kneed Novello's waltzes were compared (perhaps rather unreasonably) to the marvellous creations of Johann Strauss II - and one had only to put any Novello show alongside Der Zigeunerbaron or Die Fledermaus for the saccharine wimpishness and instantaneous built-in datedness of the former to become quite painfully and glaringly obvious. Had anyone at that time told me that, decades later, there'd be an all-Novello Prom concert, my instinctive reaction would likely have hovered uncomfortably between guffawing at the sheer risibility of the idea and worrying about the possible state of the Proms in the 21st century.

    I didn't listen to the Prom itself so wisely confine my remarks to generalities rather than observations on the actual performance - and they're only my personal opinion in any case - but my doubts that even a late night Prom devoted exclusively to the shows of Cole Porter would be a wise idea would at least be tempered to some degree by the certainty that the music would be consistently entertaining and the sentimentalitarian content (if any) would be obliged to take its proportionate place within the far wider expressive range of that fine song composer's work.

    The oh-so-(purportedly) "English"-oriented songs of the Welshman Novello closely followed by the Austro-Danish Gurresanger; ah, perhaps a neatly concealed wacky sense of humour was at work behind this bit of programme planning after all and I've rather stupidly been missing the point!...

    I don't know if anyone here recalls how, in Round the Horne / Beyond our Ken, there was an occasional slot for silly made-up composite names, sometimes of composers; whilst Lionel Bartók is the one that most easily sticks in my mind, that of Igor Novello has long struck me as a sadly missed opportunity...
    Last edited by ahinton; 13-08-12, 12:28.

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    • Ferretfancy
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      • Nov 2010
      • 3487

      #17
      I did decide to stay on for the Novello after the first very long Prom, and I'm quite glad I did. There's no need to feel sorry for Simon Callow ( Ever! ) as he obviously enjoyed his task as narrator, and it was a witty and sometimes touching survey of the composer's life. Since the programme consisted mainly of love duets a certain degree of monotony did set in, it's true, but both Toby Spence and Sophie Bevan caught the style very well. Mark Elder and the orchestra were having a good time with the sometimes lachrymose accompaniments.

      I think it might have been better for the inclusion of a few more lively items. A friend of mine worked on a production of Novello's last and unfinished musical Lily of the Valley, back in the early sixties at the Palace Theatre Westcliffe, now there's an image to conjure with! The story involved a young Welsh girl who loses her lover in war, and goes blind, only to be re-united with him at the end as she recognises his voice singing across the hills! The production required the appearance of the resident troupe called The Swinging Lovelies, presumably as lasses from the pit. They had scored a hit in an earlier production of Song of Norway, crashing together dressed as icebergs, I was not told exactly what there function was on this occasion!

      Judge for yourselves about this Prom if you've recorded it on hard disc, I was pleasantly surprised although it doesn't make me a fan!

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      • salymap
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        • Nov 2010
        • 5969

        #18
        I think a lot of the sentiment was because of WW2 in, at least, someof Novello's works. It has the camp cosiness of some writers of the time, particularly Godfrey Winn and others. It's just out of fashion I suppose.

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        • Nick Armstrong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 26574

          #19
          Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
          There's no need to feel sorry for Simon Callow ( Ever! ) as he obviously enjoyed his task as narrator
          I agree, he seemed completely at home...
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • amateur51

            #20
            Originally posted by salymap View Post
            I think a lot of the sentiment was because of WW2 in, at least, someof Novello's works. It has the camp cosiness of some writers of the time, particularly Godfrey Winn and others. It's just out of fashion I suppose.
            Oh no, camp's never out of fashion.

            I refer to scottycelt as evidence of this

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            • Mary Chambers
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              • Nov 2010
              • 1963

              #21
              Originally posted by salymap View Post
              I think a lot of the sentiment was because of WW2 in, at least, someof Novello's works. It has the camp cosiness of some writers of the time, particularly Godfrey Winn and others. It's just out of fashion I suppose.
              And Beverly Nichols. It was a less cynical time. I quite enjoyed these writers in the 50s. More seriously, it was Beverly (-ey?) Nichols' book Cry Havoc that really made me (at 14) think about war.

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              • salymap
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                • Nov 2010
                • 5969

                #22
                Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
                And Beverly Nichols. It was a less cynical time. I quite enjoyed these writers in the 50s. More seriously, it was Beverly (-ey?) Nichols' book Cry Havoc that really made me (at 14) think about war.
                Yes Mary, that's the other name I couldn't remember. But to be fair to [I think] Godfrey Winn he wrote a good book aboutthe war and aftermath called 'Scrapbook of Victory'.

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                • Northender

                  #23
                  Was GW the chap who sang:
                  "It's my mother's birthday today/I'm on my way with a lovely bouquet"?

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                  • french frank
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                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30470

                    #24
                    I'll welcome Perlesgirl to the forum too - and merge her comments in due course with the original thread on this Prom which is here.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • amac4165

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      I agree, he seemed completely at home...
                      To be honest it would have been a pretty damp affair without him ! I see "lilacs" got to the Closing Ceremony.

                      Most of the "tunes" seemed to be a poor reworking of Lehar

                      Speaking to people who were around at the time it was old fashioned even in its day - the sort of thing your parents or grand parents might go to (and probably did) and was largely written out of history by slicker (and better) American stuff.

                      "Gay's the word" might draw a whole new audience these days - though !

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                      • amateur51

                        #26
                        Originally posted by amac4165 View Post
                        To be honest it would have been a pretty damp affair without him ! I see "lilacs" got to the Closing Ceremony.

                        Most of the "tunes" seemed to be a poor reworking of Lehar

                        Speaking to people who were around at the time it was old fashioned even in its day - the sort of thing your parents or grand parents might go to (and probably did) and was largely written out of history by slicker (and better) American stuff.

                        "Gay's the word" might draw a whole new audience these days - though !
                        The UK's first and I think only remaining independent LGBT bookshop was launched in 1979 as Gay's The Word for that reason, amac

                        I like to think that Ivor would be pleased

                        Gay's The Word, London, United Kingdom. 20,593 likes · 77 talking about this · 3,465 were here. Orders: https://www.gaystheword.co.uk Linktree: https://linktr.ee/gaystheword Email:...


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                        • ahinton
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by amac4165 View Post
                          Most of the "tunes" seemed to be a poor reworking of Lehar
                          Very, very poor indeed! (in fact, if I were a member of the Lehár estate, I might think to sue on ground of undue lenience!)

                          Originally posted by amac4165 View Post
                          Speaking to people who were around at the time it was old fashioned even in its day - the sort of thing your parents or grand parents might go to (and probably did) and was largely written out of history by slicker (and better) American stuff.
                          Sure - and that's being kind, methinks!...

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                          • ahinton
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                            The UK's first and I think only remaining independent LGBT bookshop was launched in 1979 as Gay's The Word for that reason, amac

                            I like to think that Ivor would be pleased

                            Gay's The Word, London, United Kingdom. 20,593 likes · 77 talking about this · 3,465 were here. Orders: https://www.gaystheword.co.uk Linktree: https://linktr.ee/gaystheword Email:...


                            When a member (no names, no pack drill) of the Pump Room Trio many years ago referred to one of Novello's musicals as The Prancing Queers, it occurred to me that it was at the very least an odd coincidence that, given the boyo's sexual proclivities, If Only He'd Looked My Way came from Gay's The Word...

                            I'll get me coat (or nick someone else's Ruritanian Royal Robes)...

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                            • aka Calum Da Jazbo
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 9173

                              #29
                              blimey the Tgraf really liked it ......
                              According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                              • ahinton
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16123

                                #30
                                Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                                And Ivan Hewett at that! I wouldn't go that far, though; his positive remarks were largely reserved for the performers rather than the music or lyrics and the final coup de something-or-other that reads "behind me, I heard a girl for whom Novello must seem as remote as the Pyramids confess that she'd "come over all emotional"...perhaps Novello’s time is about to come round again" rather says it all, I think, for not only has "emotional" become one of the most and most often abused words in the English language in recent times, it would surely be rather hard to interpret Hewett's closing statement as anything other than barely concealed tongue-in-cheek, would it not?...

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