Prom 9 (20.7.12): Beethoven Cycle – Symphonies Nos. 1 & 2

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  • Prommer
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    • Dec 2010
    • 1258

    #16
    He seems to be channelling Furty a good deal this evening...

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    • teamsaint
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      • Nov 2010
      • 25200

      #17
      Originally posted by Frau Alpensinfonie View Post
      Who on earth are those cretins who Suzie Klein is interviewing? No dress sense and full of their own importance. The interview with Barenboim - now THAT was worth watching.
      If you cut out people full of their own importance, there wouldn't be many folk left on the telly.

      FWIW, I thought they were OK. have seen much worse critics at the proms....Turnage is at least a man who has been there and done it.I feel inclined to seek out his work now.
      Agree that the interview with DB was worth seeing. its always good to get real insight from those who have worked closely with pieces that you are interested in.
      also nice to have your own opinions validated by the greats............
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • DublinJimbo
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        • Nov 2011
        • 1222

        #18
        Beethoven 1 hung fire for me until things took wing with the finale. Beethoven 2 was wonderful.

        I wasn't convinced by the Beethoven/Boulez combination, and tonight's Boulez really was disproportionally long.

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        • PJPJ
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1461

          #19
          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          DB conducts in quite a Furtwanglerish manner, and the results seem to be refreshingly good.
          That may go some of the way to explain why I enjoyed this evening's LvB so much.

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          • Bryn
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            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            #20
            As arrangements for modern forces the Beethoven performances worked well enough for me, though the soft timp. beaters were just not on. DB even conducted Dérive II after the fashion of PB.

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            • DublinJimbo
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              • Nov 2011
              • 1222

              #21
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              [A]rrangements for modern forces
              That's an original take, I must say. One to remember.

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              • Ariosto

                #22
                I think it is time to acknowledge the wonderful performance at this evenings Prom (Friday 20/07/12).

                I feel lucky to have lived and experienced the time of Daniel Baremboim - both as a pianist and a conductor, and overwhelmingly as a wonderful musician.

                The orchestra is quite wonderful too, such dedicated playing, and enjoyment at making music, playing to each other and making very fine chamber music.

                This is what music should all be about. We should feel priviliged to have witnessed the genius of Baremboim and have heard such wonderful playing. Orchestral playing to shame a lot of professional orchestras.

                We can experience and learn so much - Beethoven brought to life again, and not dredged up by some dreary dried up old conductor whose is way past his sell by date.

                Edit: Bryn - the timps were often distorted (at least on the TV broadcast) - due to the fact that the BBC can no longer hear and broadcast sound properly. They are total amateurs now.

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                • Alison
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6455

                  #23
                  Not many Barenboim performances have enthralled me like that performance of the Second Symphony.

                  Life enhancing stuff and still seven symphonies left !

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26524

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Frau Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Who on earth are those cretins who Suzie Klein is interviewing? No dress sense and full of their own importance. The interview with Barenboim - now THAT was worth watching.
                    Hello, Mrs Alpen!!

                    Vital to watch on delay so the piffle can be fast-forwarded out - as I have just done.

                    What a revelation that performance of No 2 was! The last movement! Just terrific!
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Petrushka
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12242

                      #25
                      Uncanny that Barenboim looked just like Boulez while conducting Derive 2. A rewarding listen, irritatingly interrupted by an unwanted phone call, so will watch my recording again.

                      Ariosto is right about the superb quality of this orchestra and the joy they display in their music-making and I am greatly looking forward to seeing them on Monday, Tuesday and Friday in the hall.
                      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bryn
                        Arrangements for modern forces
                        Originally posted by DublinJimbo View Post
                        That's an original take, I must say. One to remember.
                        A Norringtonism perhaps?

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                        • Ariosto

                          #27
                          You mean dried up?

                          I *may* of course be reffering to Colin Davis or Mark the Elder or ... or ... or ...
                          Last edited by Guest; 20-07-12, 22:03.

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                          • EdgeleyRob
                            Guest
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12180

                            #28
                            Beethoven,fabulous.
                            Boulez,too long.
                            Suzy Klein interview,tosh.
                            Barenboim interview,very interesting.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                              A Norringtonism perhaps?
                              Hardly. His own performances with the Stuttgarters were similarly arrangements for modern forces, though perhaps more in the performance style of Beethoven's time regarding such matters as finger wobbling.

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                              • pastoralguy
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7740

                                #30
                                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                                Turnage is at least a man who has been there and done it.I feel inclined to seek out his work now.
                                Try his opera 'Anna Nicole'. Terrific piece!!

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