Prom 76 (8.9.12): Last Night of the Proms 2012

[amateur51]

I thought Payne's Poppets was the subtitle of Elgar 3?

Naughty

[Pabmusic]

But they are all songs associated with the Royal Navy (which can't be said of the other insertions)

Yes, I absolutely agree about the insertions. They represent PC tinkering with Edwardian sentimentality.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I thought Payne's Poppets was the subtitle of Elgar 3?

... or a rival band to Jane's Minstrels?

[Serial_Apologist]

... or a rival band to Jane's Minstrels?

[salymap]

I remember in the 1950s being at a rehearsal taken by Cameron when there was a long serious discussion about whether 'The Old Folks at Home' should be dropped as the year before a naughty member of the audience threw pennies at the solo cellist.

We all thought it hilarious but it's a wonder it's still played now, laws being so tight on safety.

[Serial_Apologist]

I remember in the 1950s being at a rehearsal taken by Cameron when there was a long serious discussion about whether 'The Old Folks at Home' should be dropped as the year before a naughty member of the audience threw pennies at the solo cellist.

We all thought it hilarious but it's a wonder it's still played now, laws being so tight on safety.

Pennies are much smaller these days, saly.

[salymap]

Pennies are much smaller these days, saly.

Quite S_A and we have to look after them too. :

[MrGongGong]

Oh no it's the old "heave ho" brigade again

[Pabmusic]

...They represent PC tinkering with Edwardian sentimentality.

Land(s) of hope and Olympic (and Paralympic) glory...

And did those feet (or prosthetic limbs) in ancient time...

Free and open debate Britannia!

Representatives of diverse belief systems save our gracious Queen...

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It was Sargent who made it a feature of the Last Night (and it was he who introduced Jerusalem - always in Parry's orchestration, too).

Yes. Wasn't it Colin Davis who introduced the Elgar orchestration of Jerusalem?

[salymap]

Yes. Wasn't it Colin Davis who introduced the Elgar orchestration of Jerusalem?

Rule Britannia was always listed as 'Arne Sargent' - Jerusalem as Parry IIRC

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

As I remember it Jerusalem was programmed as 'Arne-Sargent' in his time.

Surely that was Rule Britannia?

[salymap]

Surely that was Rule Britannia?

Aa you will see I had a senior moment and changed it earlier but you got there too quickly

[Pabmusic]

Rule Britannia was always listed as 'Arne Sargent' - Jerusalem as Parry IIRC

Yes. Sargent made (and introduced) the version of Rule Britannia! that's used now - the baroque-style one, based on Arne's original from Alfred. Wood's Fantasia ends with a much shorter version of the same tune, for big orchestra and in a different key, and one which is not so suitable for a solo singer. It is almost always omitted nowadays, but I have a vague memory of its having been done once (with chorus) as a novelty.

The lead-in to Wood's Rule Britannia! has a five-note descending scale in the basses, that is scored for the new chromatic timpani that Wood's orchestra had acquired very recently!

[salymap]

It's a long time ago, but the Arne-Sargent 'baroque-style' Rule Britannia had some very interesting soloists
and their costumes caused much interest at the time. The Unionjack was bound to be about their person somewhere and I just wish I could remember their names. I may look at the Proms Archive later.