Proms link with Jascha Horenstein and Bournemouth

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  • trbcm
    • Nov 2024

    Proms link with Jascha Horenstein and Bournemouth

    The following story might be of particular interest to Forum stalwarts Hornspieler and Ventilhorn, who might just have firsthand knowledge..........

    This season I am attending Proms concerts containing Nielsen S5 and Mahler S6, in the company of a friend who knows neither piece. I set about finding a CD of the Nielsen. To my surprise, not only did I discover a BBC Legends recording by the great Jascha Horenstein, but it was coupled with his Bournemouth BBC recording of - yes - Mahler S6!

    Not only that, but I was unexpectedly present during the recording, because there is a little story surrounding the making of that 1969 recording of the Mahler by Horenstein on these CDs.

    In the days when Mahler symphonies were clearly not familiar to orchestra managements, the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra winter season had billed a concert with Clifford Curzon playing Brahms 2nd piano concerto, followed by Mahler 6. Eventually it must have come to the management’s attention that people would miss the last bus home if the concert went ahead as planned, and the Mahler was replaced by, I think, Haydn!

    But an announcement was made at the previous week’s concert that ticket holders could attend free of charge a BBC recording of the Mahler on the Friday following the revised concert. I took up the offer, and sat in the balcony at the Winter Gardens.

    I recall the long silence at the end, since we did not know how long to wait before applauding. We were left in no doubt, when eventually Jascha bellowed at the top of his voice: “EXCELLENT!” He did not even ask for any retakes.

    Imagine my delight when I discovered that this very performance was still around, rescued by the BBC Legends label! Less surprising was the realisation that this was an interpretation that has stood the test of time, by one of the most underrated of master conductors, who of course did so much to establish Mahler and Bruckner in this country, especially via Proms performances.

    So my friend, who hails from Bournemouth, has both two excellent recordings to work with (which should greatly enhance her enjoyment of what are two potentially fine Proms), and a little bit of local history to go with it. Is there anyone else out there who was present at that BSO performance?
  • salymap
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5969

    #2
    What an interesting story. To my certain knowledge there are several other ex BSO players on these boards who may be able to help you, apart from the two mentioned.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by salymap View Post
      What an interesting story. To my certain knowledge there are several other ex BSO players on these boards who may be able to help you, apart from the two mentioned.
      Aren't/isn't Hornspieler and Ventilhorn one and the same person? ("Ventilhorn" being HS' temporary nom-de-web in complement - and compliment - to Waldhorn, I think?)

      Anyroadup, yes thanks (and welcome) trbcm: Horenstein is "one of the most underrated of master conductors" generally, but not on these 'Boards. (There's a recording of the Mahler Seventh which is absolutely superb, too: IMO much better than any other performance of this work that I've ever heard. And as for his Das Lied von der Erde with Alfreda Hodgson ... well, it's the only one that doesn't make me make comparisons with Ferrier. Greater praise than which I cannot imagine!)
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • edashtav
        Full Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 3670

        #4
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        Aren't/isn't Hornspieler and Ventilhorn one and the same person? ("Ventilhorn" being HS' temporary nom-de-web in complement - and compliment - to Waldhorn, I think?)

        Anyroadup, yes thanks (and welcome) trbcm: Horenstein is "one of the most underrated of master conductors" generally, but not on these 'Boards. (There's a recording of the Mahler Seventh which is absolutely superb, too: IMO much better than any other performance of this work that I've ever heard. And as for his Das Lied von der Erde with Alfreda Hodgson ... well, it's the only one that doesn't make me make comparisons with Ferrier. Greater praise than which I cannot imagine!)
        Horenstein was magnificent and we, Bournemouthians, were lucky to hear his interpretations comparatively often. Neither I nor TRBCM are old enough, I fear to have heard the town's first Das Lied von der Erde with the Bournemouth Municipal Orchestra under Rudolf Schwarz in 1950. Its contralto soloist was none other than Kathleen Ferrier during one of her 17 appearances in "Pines City" aka Blessed City, Heavenly Salem.

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by edashtav View Post
          Horenstein was magnificent and we, Bournemouthians, were lucky to hear his interpretations comparatively often. Neither I nor TRBCM are old enough, I fear to have heard the town's first Das Lied von der Erde with the Bournemouth Municipal Orchestra under Rudolf Schwarz in 1950. Its contralto soloist was none other than Kathleen Ferrier during one of her 17 appearances in "Pines City" aka Blessed City, Heavenly Salem.
          Ferrier singing DLvdE would make it a "blessed city", indeed!
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Ariosto

            #6
            You are all talking of Horenstein as being a great conductor, and I think that is probably correct.

            BUT, I do not recognise the other descriptions, as I found him to be a rather difficult person to work with. But the results were a bit special, even if some of my colleagues did not like him as a person. However, it was a bloody long time ago ...

            P S I did turn up late to one reheasal due to running out of petrol in a hired car, and he was OK. In fact he completely ignored me walking in 30 minutes late.

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