Prom 16: Wednesday 27th July at 7.00 p.m. (Dusapin, Fauré, Berlioz, Stravinsky)

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  • BudgieJane

    #16
    There was a cougher, but he was a day-tripper on the rail who had a coughing fit and somehow could not stop. There was also a young lad in the arena who decided that, although the conductor was still conducting and the orchestra was still playing, the Stravinsky had ended about two hundred bars early, and started to applaud. He soon stopped!

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    • Serial_Apologist
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      • Dec 2010
      • 37699

      #17
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Don't like to be negative, but I gave M. Dusapin's piece a listen and I thought it was pretty dull to the point of being annoying and worthy of comment.

      (Incidentally, is his name so difficult to pronounce? Martin Handley's "Dooze-pan" made me smile - unlike M. Doozepan's composition )
      The best way for a non-French person to try and pronounce the French "u" is to purse the lips in a camp manner and try to say "eeeee", as in "tweet". The resulting pronunciation of Dusapin will be "Dooz a pun" but without the tongue touching the roof of the mouth on the final "n".

      As in "Gis a job"

      S-A

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      • Claire_M

        #18
        Glad I wasn't the only one that found the Dusapin tedious (was actually wishing it would hurry up and finish). Seemed to be all about the surface texture of the music, with not much interesting going on structurally - either chords/harmonies or form.

        Also thought the orchestra hadn't quite got the verve the Berlioz needed - but oh! Firebird made up for it. Spine tingling and loved the trumpets placed round the top of the hall (we were oop the gods and it was fantastic - a long way from the coughers too, but was that police siren really necessary?).

        A review here which argues the complete opposite: https://www.theartsdesk.com/index.ph...cher&Itemid=27 - then again, reviewer doesn't like Firebird, a point of view I can't understand at all.

        The Guardian's reviewer agrees more with me which, naturally, makes the reviewer better: https://www.guardian.co.uk/music/201...fischer-review
        Last edited by Guest; 28-07-11, 12:54.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30303

          #19
          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          However, in the Proms Plus Intro, Dusapin indicated that it was simply as "once" that he was using it.
          Yes, as of a word in language studies, 'occurring on only one occasion' (rather than once = at some time in the past).
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • vinteuil
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            • Nov 2010
            • 12844

            #20
            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            Yes, as of a word in language studies, 'occurring on only one occasion' (rather than once = at some time in the past).
            ... specifically, hapax legomenon -

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20570

              #21
              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
              The resulting pronunciation of Dusapin will be "Dooz a pun" but without the tongue touching the roof of the mouth on the final "n".
              Surely it will be "Dooz a pan" (again with nasal swallowing of the "n")?

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              • johnb
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                • Mar 2007
                • 2903

                #22
                Originally posted by Claire_M View Post
                A review here which argues the complete opposite: https://www.theartsdesk.com/index.ph...cher&Itemid=27 - then again, reviewer doesn't like Firebird, a point of view I can't understand at all.
                I love the description ...

                It's a work that crawls at such a self-admiring sort of pace, pausing only to lick its own silky fur like a pleased tabby, that I sit through it with little pleasure. [The Arts Desk]
                ... though I'm not sure that anyone would recognise the piece from that description!

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                • jayne lee wilson
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 10711

                  #23
                  I have to say that the reviewer is licking his own silky fur in admiration of the phrase he has just created!

                  It has nothing to do with the music.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37699

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Surely it will be "Dooz a pan" (again with nasal swallowing of the "n")?
                    In Provence, certainly.......

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                    • Claire_M

                      #25
                      Originally posted by johnb View Post
                      I love the description ...


                      ... though I'm not sure that anyone would recognise the piece from that description!
                      I wondered at that too - not least as I actually have a silky-furred tabby, and the slurping noise he makes when licking his fur sounds nothing whatsoever like the Firebird! Find it very easy to imagine the narrative in the Stravinsky though.

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                      • Chris Newman
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 2100

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Claire_M View Post
                        I wondered at that too - not least as I actually have a silky-furred tabby, and the slurping noise he makes when licking his fur sounds nothing whatsoever like the Firebird! Find it very easy to imagine the narrative in the Stravinsky though.
                        Or that other ballet Petpusska?

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                        • Claire_M

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Chris Newman View Post
                          Or that other ballet Petpusska?
                          :D

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                          • hackneyvi

                            #28
                            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                            I have to say that the reviewer is licking his own silky fur in admiration of the phrase he has just created!

                            It has nothing to do with the music.
                            Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reviewer describes a bird moving like a cat which is crawling while slowly licking its fur?

                            Is that even third rate writing? (Though I must own up to having made an incoherent likeness between Spotify and beans in the last week which I'm a little ashamed by.)

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                            • Petrushka
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12255

                              #29
                              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                              Petrushka, you've gone very quiet... did the little woman in the kitchen confiscate your computer?
                              Not at all! Didn't want to sidetrack a thread about this Prom into a pointless debate about coughing...
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • Threni

                                #30
                                Excellent firebird, I also listened to the berlioz and Faure but brewed up during the new work ;-)

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