R3 Facebook query

[french frank]

I've always tried to keep up with this to calculate how much time Radio 3 staff spend on it but in the last couple of days, not only has the annoying huge Sign Up/Log In window started appearing again but as from yesterday, once you've closed that window there's no scroll bar so all you can see is the top of the page.

I' ve tried it on other browsers and get the same effect. IOW, unless you join the club you can't read anything - which seems a bit pointless when the only purpose it apparently has is to promote Radio 3 and what it does.

Anyone else having more 'luck'?

[Osborn]

Have just tried with IE8 & seems OK. The log in window isn't exclusive to here; I've been getting it on another site. After closing this scroll bar works, so does mouse wheel. Tried twice.

[french frank]

Thanks for the feedback. You never quite know whether it's your own set-up or to do with the site.

I'm sure the log in window used to be smaller, then it disappeared, now it's back 'full size'. Even when I closed it, it kept coming back whenever I changed to a different page/view. Too irritating to bother with ...

But I'll try it on my laptops to see if that works.

Ta

[Frances_iom]

try http://www.facebook.com/bbcradio3?_fb_noscript=1
facebook is trying to load yet more javascript (+ no doubt more tracking code) - why the idiots use this corrupt + privacy invasive American site beats me - I presume they are paying the BBC somehow to push it

[Russ]

Frances is right. There is some particularly nasty code Facebook is attempting to load, and it seems that if it doesn't receive tracking cookie acknowledgements, it's likely to crash some browsers or prevent it from displaying the vertical scroll bar.

[french frank]

That didn't work either. It seems to be something on my desktop, because there's no problem with two laptops - one Mac, one Windows. It must be my daily glaring hatred that gets through to it and it doesn't "Like" me

There's nothing much on the Facebook page that would interest me that isn't on the website schedule pages. Just lots of photies, incl. Suzy with Neil Sedaka. I fear the piano season has a lot to answer for ...

Add - thanks Russ. The desktop obviously isn't having any!

[Globaltruth]

Thanks for the feedback. You never quite know whether it's your own set-up or to do with the site.

I'm sure the log in window used to be smaller, then it disappeared, now it's back 'full size'. Even when I closed it, it kept coming back whenever I changed to a different page/view. Too irritating to bother with ...

But I'll try it on my laptops to see if that works.

Ta

I'm not an FB fan or user (memorably described as "Twitter with homework"), I can never work out why sometimes you have to login to access content & sometimes you don't; please don't bother trying to explain, I have a minimalist account that I use if absolutely necessary. I prefer Twitter.

The real point I want to pick up on is the r3 social media usage - as you rightly say such usage was meant to replace the MB's...the r3 output that I've read on Twitter indicates it really hasn't; some presenters/producers are definitely present with something to say & keen to engage (and much appreciated it is too) but there is no consistency, organisation or commitment - it's as haphazard as crazy paving.

[french frank]

The point about the messageboards was that they were provided for public use - for the public to create 'communities of interest'. Facebook and Twitter are 90% promotional tools for the BBC/Radio 3. And staff spend (waste?) a lot more time on them than they ever did on the messageboards - to little effect in terms of creating benefit for listeners.

[Flosshilde]

I prefer Twitter.

[Frances_iom]

.. to little effect in terms of creating benefit for listeners.

but the BBC is not in that business any longer - its prime purpose is to provide employment for its management - privatisation cannot be far away at which time benefit for listeners is of zero interest - such listeners being only there to swell advertising revenue and as we see in much of current R3 it is the size of the audience that really matters.

[David-G]

The point about the messageboards was that they were provided for public use - for the public to create 'communities of interest'. Facebook and Twitter are 90% promotional tools for the BBC/Radio 3. And staff spend (waste?) a lot more time on them than they ever did on the messageboards - to little effect in terms of creating benefit for listeners.

The Glyndebourne web site used to have a message board, which carried discussions about productions, general chat about Glyndebourne, and provided a medium for disposing of surplus tickets, or of acquiring additional ones. In all these aspects it was both interesting and useful. But Glyndebourne closed the message board, with the excuse that Facebook would now be the medium of communication. But just as you say, the Facebook page just seems to be a promotional tool, and a very uninteresting one at that. I greatly miss the message board.

[french frank]

My original query has been settled, somehow: the vertical scrollbar has returned.

(Hooray ...)

[kernelbogey]

but the BBC is not in that business any longer.... privatisation cannot be far away.

Is this really a widely accepted assumption? I'm deeply shocked.

[Frances_iom]

Is this really a widely accepted assumption? I'm deeply shocked.

my own argument is that given the trend amongst youngsters to use broadband and/or mbile devices to receive delayed versions then I can't see them paying a licence fee for a TV as they move away from family home (a trend already apparent in those I know) - thus options include (a) the BBC is paid out of general taxation (b) a significant tax on broadband access points is introduced (approx doubling their annual cost) , otherwise the BBC revenue will slowly decrease - any rise in licence fee will just push more towards the broadband as the cost savings become apparent to all and the penetration + speed of broadband increases. A third option is partial commercialisation (a la NHS under Tories ) direct commercial sponsorship (+ growing control) of the popular channels with a semidestitute PBS to deliver 'education' etc

[eighthobstruction]

I did not think it worthy of its own thread, but I just noticed this....at the end of article another episode of these social media sights changing the rules at their wim and selling customers information....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20774640