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  • MrGongGong
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 18357

    #16
    Time Machine is the computer equivalent of "Security theatre".
    Nice flashing lights, appears to work but when it really is needed is as much use as a chocolate teapot

    It reminds me of something from a few years ago.
    There was a commission on offer for artists to collaborate in efforts to try and reduce the number of suicides on the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Given the status of the bridge, it wasn't possible to "cage in" the pavement so they were asking for ideas that would achieve the same effect. The thinking was that there could be some kind of sculptural feature that acted as a fence etc etc
    An artist friend of mine who does lots of public work was talking about it and started off thinking about having giant airbags triggered by someone jumping as well as Spiderman type nets that would be shot out from underneath the bridge if someone was to jump off etc He rejected these in favour of a project that would be a continuous programme of "spurious maintenance" , having someone there all the time who appeared to be mending things. He thought that people would be less likely to attempt to jump off if they weren't physically alone. All very good until someone actually was intent on jumping where it would be a bit useless and likely to seriously traumatise the person employed to be present.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30253

      #17
      Gongers - you don't like or need it. Fine. I'm sure you don't need my advice not to use it. But weigh your experience against mine. It's not so clear-cut. I ran "Time Machine good" and had 25m hits, "Time Machine bad" had 14.6m hits. So all we can really do is express our opinions based on experience, without thinking we are "right". Right? Unless it actually screws up one's computer, how can it be 'bad'?

      Good: https://www.lifewire.com/review-appl...ftware-2260112

      Bad: https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/arti...ils-user-needs
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • MrGongGong
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        #18
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Gongers - you don't like or need it. Fine. I'm sure you don't need my advice not to use it. But weigh your experience against mine. It's not so clear-cut. I ran "Time Machine good" and had 25m hits, "Time Machine bad" had 14.6m hits. So all we can really do is express our opinions based on experience, without thinking we are "right". Right? Unless it actually screws up one's computer, how can it be 'bad'?

        Good: https://www.lifewire.com/review-appl...ftware-2260112

        Bad: https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/arti...ils-user-needs
        I guess you might get similar results with reviews of parachutes
        but I would tend to try and go with one that hasn't killed anyone (yet !)

        I DO warn people against it because of the real stress of it failing when you need it most and my experience isn't unusual
        though I probably DO use my computer in different ways to the "average" user

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30253

          #19
          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          I DO warn people against it because of the real stress of it failing when you need it most and my experience isn't unusual
          though I probably DO use my computer in different ways to the "average" user
          This is what puzzles me (sorry, folks, for pursuing it ): I would think that even if it 'fails when I need it most', would I be better off if I hadn't had it in the first place? It is a quick, convenient way of reclaiming (in many cases) files which have been irredeemably deleted (or altered). Nothing more. It sits in the background and quietly backs up what I'm doing (last back-up 11.14). And occasionally, by ill-luck, it can't help me when I need it. I've never fathomed out whether the drive is truly bootable, but as my SuperDuper! clone is bootable, that's not an aspect that bothers me. And that's all.
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Pulcinella
            Host
            • Feb 2014
            • 10895

            #20
            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            This is what puzzles me (sorry, folks, for pursuing it ): I would think that even if it 'fails when I need it most', would I be better off if I hadn't had it in the first place? It is a quick, convenient way of reclaiming (in many cases) files which have been irredeemably deleted (or altered). Nothing more. It sits in the background and quietly backs up what I'm doing (last back-up 11.14). And occasionally, by ill-luck, it can't help me when I need it. I've never fathomed out whether the drive is truly bootable, but as my SuperDuper! clone is bootable, that's not an aspect that bothers me. And that's all.
            I suspect that our computer requirements and expectations are pretty similar, which is why I too expressed puzzlement.
            When I recently upgraded to 'Mojito' (), Time Machine told me that my Maxtor storage disc did not have enough space on it, the first time it tried to do a new save. That confused me a bit, as I thought older versions simply got deleted to create space, but I think the first 'dump' included the new OS, so more 'new' space was needed. Anyway....., after chatting to a guy in a local IT shop, I opted for a new Toshiba 1TB hard drive (about £40 from Argos) and plugged it in instead. Worked a treat, as expected. So I now have all the old stuff on the Maxtor, just in case I wasn't happy with Mojave, or there was some incompatibility (seems to work fine, even with Office 2011), and Time Machine is happily doing its stuff as you say, in case I need to retrieve a document for some reason.
            But I readily concede that others might have different reliance on back-ups and methods of retrieval.
            I haven't got anything that precious.

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            • MrGongGong
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              #21
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              This is what puzzles me (sorry, folks, for pursuing it ): I would think that even if it 'fails when I need it most', would I be better off if I hadn't had it in the first place?
              YES
              I reckon the stress of failed TM knocks a couple of years off your life and didn't do my liver any good at all

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30253

                #22
                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                YES
                I reckon the stress of failed TM knocks a couple of years off your life and didn't do my liver any good at all
                I do agree with one thing you said about it. If I were jumping from an aircraft at 20,000ft with a faulty parachute, I think Time Machine would be pretty useless.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • MrGongGong
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  #23
                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  I do agree with one thing you said about it. If I were jumping from an aircraft at 20,000ft with a faulty parachute, I think Time Machine would be pretty useless.
                  Imagine you were jumping from a plane with a carefully mended table leg
                  Would you prefer your carpentry to have been done with prit stick OR Cascamite ?

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                  • Pulcinella
                    Host
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 10895

                    #24
                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                    Imagine you were jumping from a plane with a carefully mended table leg
                    Would you prefer your carpentry to have been done with prit stick OR Cascamite ?

                    I might be wondering what I was doing on a plane with a table leg in the first place!

                    Therein lies the difference between us, of course: french frank and I travel much more lightly.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30253

                      #25
                      Cascamite? Cascamite? I wuz taught that procedures should be reversible. PVA glue for me But not Pritt® stick …
                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      Imagine you were jumping from a plane with a carefully mended table leg
                      Would you prefer your carpentry to have been done with prit stick OR Cascamite ?

                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30253

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        I might be wondering what I was doing on a plane with a table leg in the first place!

                        Therein lies the difference between us, of course: french frank and I travel much more lightly.
                        Pulcie - Gongers is apparently a secret follower of my ongoing Facebook saga: How I Remedied Wobbly Table Legs.

                        And if that isn't off topic, I don't what is!
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #27
                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Pulcie - Gongers is apparently a secret follower of my ongoing Facebook saga: How I Remedied Wobbly Table Legs.

                          And if that isn't off topic, I don't what is!
                          I'm not on Facebook, but surmise you have found a good use for a Macbook.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30253

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            I'm not on Facebook, but surmise you have found a good use for a Macbook.
                            Oh, I use Macbook and iMac for accessing Facebook, Bryn. And iPhone, when I'm away from home
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #29
                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Oh, I use Macbook and iMac for accessing Facebook, Bryn. And iPhone, when I'm away from home
                              So you have three props to hand.

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                              • Dave2002
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 18009

                                #30
                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Oh, I use Macbook and iMac for accessing Facebook, Bryn. And iPhone, when I'm away from home
                                And don’t forget your table leg - particularly important if travelling by plane!

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