Proms 2017 in FLAC

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  • Gweefry
    Full Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 27

    Proms 2017 in FLAC

    Has anyone spotted where the lossless feed for this year's Proms is to be found? I suppose it may again be in the "Taster" section of the BBC website, but that seems a bit obscure.
  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    #2
    No sign yet. The info a few months ago was to visit either the Proms or Radio 3 homepages, where the feed would be accessed... you may still need to to do this in Firefox of course.... who knows...? Get it running in any case, if you haven't already...

    All we can do is hang loose on Friday, then when you spot it, dive in.....

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    • Sir Velo
      Full Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 3282

      #3
      They're certainly not shouting about it from the rooftops are they?

      My feeling is that they're hoping we've all forgotten about it and it can be allowed to die a quiet, unlamented death. Problems with rights, IIRC, called a premature end to the fun first time around, and they're unlikely to have been resolved in the short intervening period.

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      • Cockney Sparrow
        Full Member
        • Jan 2014
        • 2296

        #4
        You may be right, Sir Velo.

        OTOH, let us hope that it being "The BBC Proms" - I reckon any and all announcements have to go through some central media point - all mentions of the Proms seem to be very carefully controlled / stage managed / at programme level frequency of tie-ins/mentions/plugs enforced. So they may decide news of the FLAC stream is to be released at a particular point in the ramping up of anticipation. So - here's hoping..........

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        • Andrew Slater
          Full Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1805

          #5
          The Proms website link is on this page - it links to the old experimental page. Presumably it will link elsewhere from Friday ......

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #6
            Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post
            The Proms website link is on this page - it links to the old experimental page. Presumably it will link elsewhere from Friday ......
            Thankyou so much for that Andrew, exactly what I'd been looking for. Bookmark it now, everyone...

            Given what the Taster page says, it may simply be that we'll listen to the "2nd Stage of the Trial" from the same place as before...

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            • Gweefry
              Full Member
              • Nov 2013
              • 27

              #7
              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              Given what the Taster page says, it may simply be that we'll listen to the "2nd Stage of the Trial" from the same place as before...
              If that is the case, it should be possible to listen and record as before using the nightly build of Videolan (https://nightlies.videolan.org/) and the source https://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs...t_manifest.mpd

              We'll soon know!

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              • johnb
                Full Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 2903

                #8
                Originally posted by Gweefry View Post
                If that is the case, it should be possible to listen and record as before using the nightly build of Videolan (https://nightlies.videolan.org/) and the source https://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs...t_manifest.mpd

                We'll soon know!
                It's worth mentioning that, unless things have changed, you need the 3.0.0 nightly builds (scroll down the page to find them), not 2.2.5.

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                • ChrisBennell
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                  • Sep 2014
                  • 171

                  #9
                  The web page at

                  [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound"]

                  now states that "the next phase of the trial will be during the BBC Proms 2017" - I thought the whole of the prom season was to be broadcast this way? Looks like the BBC are back-tracking

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                  • jayne lee wilson
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 10711

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ChrisBennell View Post
                    The web page at

                    [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound"]

                    now states that "the next phase of the trial will be during the BBC Proms 2017" - I thought the whole of the prom season was to be broadcast this way? Looks like the BBC are back-tracking
                    It's pretty clear about it here....http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...proms-on-radio

                    ... ​we'll soon find out... anything can happen in the next 24 hours.....!

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                    • johnb
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 2903

                      #11
                      The Radio FLAC appears to be streaming at the moment and can be played using the VLC 3.0.0 nightly builds, using the same URL as before:

                      Code:
                      https://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs.llnwd.net/al/lossless/client_manifest.mpd
                      (Curiously, VLC incorrectly gives the stream's bit per sample as 32.)

                      However, I can't see any links to the stream on the BBC website.

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                      • Gweefry
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 27

                        #12
                        Originally posted by johnb View Post
                        The Radio FLAC appears to be streaming at the moment and can be played using the VLC 3.0.0 nightly builds, using the same URL as before.
                        Yes, they appear to be putting the R3 output through at the moment. The 32 bit info seems to be an artefact of this build - both 16 and 24 bit recordings are both being reported as 32.

                        Originally posted by johnb View Post
                        However, I can't see any links to the stream on the BBC website.
                        That's the surprising bit. They have got coverage in many quarters about the "Concert Sound" but the best they've managed is to point to a defunct experimental page with little help to listeners in terms of how to access the stream. If one were to be cynical, one might assume that they were doing their best to make it as inaccessible as possible to damp down future demand.

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                        • ChrisBennell
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 171

                          #13
                          Seems to be there - link seems to be different from previous trial:

                          Listen to BBC Radio 3 and the BBC Proms live in the highest audio quality the BBC has ever broadcast. It sounds so good it’ll feel like you’re actually at the Royal Albert Hall.


                          I take back what I said earlier!! Just tried it and it is seemingly working.

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                          • Stunsworth
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1553

                            #14
                            Great news. It still requires Firefox if that's a problem for anyone.
                            Steve

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Gweefry View Post
                              Yes, they appear to be putting the R3 output through at the moment. The 32 bit info seems to be an artefact of this build - both 16 and 24 bit recordings are both being reported as 32.



                              That's the surprising bit. They have got coverage in many quarters about the "Concert Sound" but the best they've managed is to point to a defunct experimental page with little help to listeners in terms of how to access the stream. If one were to be cynical, one might assume that they were doing their best to make it as inaccessible as possible to damp down future demand.
                              It does work if you click on the link to Concert Sound I gave earlier... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...proms-on-radio
                              but you do have to be running Firefox 51 (or later) to use it. Won't work in Safari.

                              Incidentally, Jim Lesurf has a piece on it in August's HiFiNews, ("The best Proms ever?") going into some detail about capturing the stream using the FFmpeg AV Utility. He concludes "​Not a process most listeners could be expected to wade through happily.."

                              Quite...
                              I'll be quite content to lie back and enjoy it, as Tommy Vance used to say....
                              Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 14-07-17, 16:00.

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