Windows 10 Anniversary Update - first impressions?

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  • Dave2002
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 18035

    #16
    Originally posted by johnb View Post
    I never saw any benefits in "upgrading" my Windows 7 PC to Windows 10 so I'm free of these travails.

    Having said that I'm probably going to have to opt for Windows 10 on my next laptop because Microsoft seem reluctant to provide critical update support to Windows 7 on new Intel Processors. Microsoft originally only intended to provide Windows 7 support on last year's Intel Skylake (6th generation) processor up to 2017 but eventually caved in and extended the support to 2020.

    Well it's one way of forcing businesses onto Windows 10 I suppose.
    I have steered well away from Windows during the last few years, and for the most part definitely not regretted that. However, things aren't completely clear of problems over in the Apple camp. Apple keeps trying to force users to backup data to their cloud, and sometimes data finds its way there without any apparent user request. One of my colleagues has recently bought a new computer and I warned her about this. I think hers has El Capitan installed. She told me that she has been careful not to select any of the options to permit that, but my response was that many users won't know what boxes to tick or not to ensure that data doesn't migrate "spontaneously". A "feature" of the latest Apple OS - Sierra - is that items on the desktop are automatically copied! So what happens if confidential data is put on the desktop?!!! Another colleague mentioned that this was effectively just an example of "Apple continuously deciding it knows better than the users do what to do with their data and computers".

    I suppose that having boxes to tick is at least an attempt to assure us that we have some control. New users, or users who have "upgraded" their systems are unlikely to discover which things to enable/disable before at least some of their data has migrated. It would be perfectly possible for OS builders to put check boxes in to enable/disable all sorts of features, but basically ignore them anyway. Many of us might not notice, unless we became suspicious, by clues such as our machines running very slow, or files actually turning up elsewhere. This latter eventuality actually happened to me a few weeks ago, when I saw a video appear on my Apple TV which could only have come from one of my video cameras, and the file had only been installed on one machine as far as I could tell. Also AFAIK I had not authorised the file to migrate elsewhere, though maybe the software thought I had!

    Re updates, I run MacOS versions from Snow Leopard up to El Capitan. I'm not rushing to install Sierra (partly, but not only) because of the desktop upload to cloud issue, but during the last few months I have noticed that some software either doesn't work, or is not updatable on systems pre Mavericks. This includes Firefox (can't upgrade to the latest versions-so doesn't work on some websites) and Chrome which are now starting to fail on Mountain Lion, and since I don't update all the machines to the latest OS, even Safari doesn't always do what I want or expect on the couple of machines running Snow Leopard and/or Mountain Lion.

    So Apple is gradually "forcing" most users to install newer versions of the OS, as much of the software available gradually becomes less functional. Re Firefox, it seems that there is an extended service programme for large scale users (educational, organisation, some commercial) which will give updates for compatible Firefox browsers running on older OSs for another year or so, but the lowly single end user does not have access to such extended updates, and the software developers are declaring end of life on some versions.

    Despite that though, Apple (and others) have not been successful so far in killing off Flash, which is a great shame, as there do seem to be problems with Flash, but some web developers continue to rely on Flash - though whether the HTML 5 alternatives are really a lot better seems uncertain. Where they work they seem OK.

    To date I have been happier running Apple systems than Windows, but I am becoming increasingly concerned with problems which are more obvious now, and seem to be occurring more frequently. It's not just Apple though - Google and other search tools (and related software companies) are becoming increasingly intrusive, and do have an effect on the way systems appear to the end user. An example of this can be found by looking at this link on Constructivism - http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/hist...tm#development - which was mentioned by JLW in the discussion about Prokofiev symphonies. It took me a good few seconds to realise that the images at the top of the article were in fact references to products I might have had some interest in recently, and not part of the article, and there was yet another ****** (expletive deleted) advert half way down the page. Different users will see different things.

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      #17
      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      Not really a fair comparison. Let's face it, Vista was even worse than Windows 8. I quite like Windows 10, though the Anniversary edition is too big an update for my little Acer A01 unless I do a clean install. Think I might convert it to Linux instead.
      Now that I have retired I've had a little more time to fiddle around with the Acer A01 and Windows 10, not only the Anniversary update but the 'April' 2018 update. In the meantime, Microsoft has offered a workaround for the lack of space on the inbuilt 32GB eMMC drive. One simply plugs in a USB flash drive with several GB of free space and opt to let Windows update create a temprary directory (folder) on it. So I have now updated the little devil to the 'Apri' update. It took aroud 5 hours to fully install.

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      • Old Grumpy
        Full Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 3643

        #18
        Sounds like I am well rid of Windows 10!

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #19
          Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
          Sounds like I am well rid of Windows 10!
          To be fair, the eMMC is much slower than an SSD would be, and the processor is a mere 1.6GHz Celeron. With those considerations, plus the fact that the A01 had been sitting unused for over 2 years. I think Microsoft has not done that badly in this instance. However, I am fed up with the way another Windows 10 installation had lost access to its Cortana app, and a further one crashes its Control Panel when one tries to access its functions. The Internet has solutions on offer for these problems, but they are cumbersome and do not always work.

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          • DracoM
            Host
            • Mar 2007
            • 12986

            #20
            Windows 10 mess-ups are often repaired / righted by Windows 10 users who club together online to offer assistance - they had to because the 'advice' they get from Microsoft itself is barely credible, or actually wrong.

            And on't talk about April 18
            Crikey. Did anyone get an apololgy for that?

            I am stuck with it for the mo, but do I wish I wasn't or what.

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            • Old Grumpy
              Full Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 3643

              #21
              Originally posted by DracoM View Post
              Windows 10 mess-ups are often repaired / righted by Windows 10 users who club together online to offer assistance - they had to because the 'advice' they get from Microsoft itself is barely credible, or actually wrong.

              And on't talk about April 18
              Crikey. Did anyone get an apololgy for that?
              No. I got a dead computer - which is why I now have Windows 7.

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              • DracoM
                Host
                • Mar 2007
                • 12986

                #22
                Well, if you thought you'd got problems with Windows 10, hold onto something solid and read this:

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                • Zucchini
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 917

                  #23
                  It downloaded itself a few days ago. No problems so far.

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                  • Bryn
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
                    It downloaded itself a few days ago. No problems so far.
                    Who knows? It might even resolve one or two outstanding problems, such as the oft-reported Contana freeze-up.

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                    • Bryn
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      #25
                      Looks like Zucchini and I might have been lucky. There are numerous reports of great quantities of files being lost from User folders; One person claimed over 220GB deleted. This evening I tried to update two further laptops. On one the 1809 update failed. On the other, 1809 was not itemised as available. When I got the former back ot its previous condition and looked again for updates, no 1809 was to be found. I wonder if Microsoft have put it on hold, following a deluge of complaints?

                      Wow! https://wccftech.com/intel-windows-1...compatibility/

                      See, especoially, the items towards the end.
                      Last edited by Bryn; 04-10-18, 22:57.

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                      • Frances_iom
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 2415

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                        Looks like Zucchini and I might have been lucky.....
                        Why do people continue to use such a system they have paid for, spies on them but don't own or control ?

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                          Why do people continue to use such a system they have paid for, spies on them but don't own or control ?
                          Possibly because there are specific software packages they wish to run, and which is not available to run under Linux.

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #28
                            Further reports on the October update fiasco here.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #29
                              You've got to laugh. Latest reports are that the October Update can mess up Microsoft's much-vaunted browser, Edge, and also prevent access to Microsoft apps at the Microsoft Store. Fortunately, I use neither.

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 12986

                                #30
                                'When will they ever / never learn? When will they ever learn?'

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