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  • Ferretfancy
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3487

    Double sided discs

    I spotted a Monteux recording on Amazon,and it seemed a bargain at £3.75, so i went for it. The music, recorded at the Vienna festival in 1963, comprises Tchaikovsky's 5th, Romeo and Juliet and the B flat minor concerto with John Ogdon as the soloist.

    When it arrived it turned out to be a two disc set, each disc double sided with CD on one side and DVD on the other, and a warning that it might not play on some machines. I tried the disc in my Blu Ray player and heard part of the performance with sound only, but the disc also contains a documentary on restoration which does have still images.

    Next I tried the CD in my Meridian player, but both discs came up 'No disk loaded"

    All the DVD material is alleged to be in Dolby Surround, which seems unlikely given the recording date! The sound is cleaner on my usual TV setting ( My TV output in various formats can be routed through my sound system )

    Has anyone else encountered this sort of thing? I can hardly complain about the oddities given the very modest price

    Just for info, I think the original recording was made by Vanguard engineers, and I know that Monteux made his splendid version of Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet for them. The current release is from Silverline Classics a company in California.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20577

    #2
    I haven't heard of these. However there were a few double-sided CDs in the 1980s, but it never caught on.

    My DVD of Ben Hur is double-sided (known as a "flipper") but more recent incarnations have been spread over 2 discs.

    But combining a CD with a DVD? That's trying to be a bit too clever.

    Ff, I'm sorry your CD player misspells "disc".

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    • Ferretfancy
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      • Nov 2010
      • 3487

      #3
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      I haven't heard of these. However there were a few double-sided CDs in the 1980s, but it never caught on.

      My DVD of Ben Hur is double-sided (known as a "flipper") but more recent incarnations have been spread over 2 discs.

      But combining a CD with a DVD? That's trying to be a bit too clever.

      Ff, I'm sorry your CD player misspells "disc".
      In my dim and distant youth at the Beeb we were taught that there was a definite distinction between 'disc' and 'disk' depending on whether it was recorded at work or a commercial LP, but I've forgotten which way round!

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      • teamsaint
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        • Nov 2010
        • 25240

        #4
        Is this the sort of thing?

        Grimal Violin Sonatas.



        can't lay my hands on my copy right now to check.

        Cd on one side, DVD on the other, I think.
        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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        • Flosshilde
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7988

          #5
          Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
          In my dim and distant youth at the Beeb we were taught that there was a definite distinction between 'disc' and 'disk' depending on whether it was recorded at work or a commercial LP, but I've forgotten which way round!
          I thought the distinction was between the things with computer data/programmes (or programs) on them, which were floppy disks (or was it discs?) & any other round flat thing, which were discs (or disks?).

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
            • 20577

            #6
            Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
            I thought the distinction was between the things with computer data/programmes (or programs) on them, which were floppy disks (or was it discs?) & any other round flat thing, which were discs (or disks?).
            Something like that, though floppy discs/disks are round and flat once you remove the square casing.

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            • richardfinegold
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              • Sep 2012
              • 7794

              #7
              Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
              I spotted a Monteux recording on Amazon,and it seemed a bargain at £3.75, so i went for it. The music, recorded at the Vienna festival in 1963, comprises Tchaikovsky's 5th, Romeo and Juliet and the B flat minor concerto with John Ogdon as the soloist.

              When it arrived it turned out to be a two disc set, each disc double sided with CD on one side and DVD on the other, and a warning that it might not play on some machines. I tried the disc in my Blu Ray player and heard part of the performance with sound only, but the disc also contains a documentary on restoration which does have still images.

              Next I tried the CD in my Meridian player, but both discs came up 'No disk loaded"

              All the DVD material is alleged to be in Dolby Surround, which seems unlikely given the recording date! The sound is cleaner on my usual TV setting ( My TV output in various formats can be routed through my sound system )

              Has anyone else encountered this sort of thing? I can hardly complain about the oddities given the very modest price

              Just for info, I think the original recording was made by Vanguard engineers, and I know that Monteux made his splendid version of Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet for them. The current release is from Silverline Classics a company in California.
              I have that disc. It was intended for the DVD-A market. It will play on a regular DVD player but was issued before Blu Ray was invented.
              Is your Blu Ray player a Sony? Sony won't play any DVD-A material.

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              • Petrushka
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12374

                #8
                Does anyone remember that CD issue of Wagner's Flying Dutchman conducted by Clemens Krauss that was contained on just one CD? Apparently, as it was a mono recording you had to play it by switching off your left hand speaker and listening to the first part through the right then reverse the process to play the rest. Believe I have the details right though perhaps someone better informed can correct.

                I think it fell foul of the industry standard and thus disappeared from circulation.
                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                • Flosshilde
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7988

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  Something like that, though floppy discs/disks are round and flat once you remove the square casing.
                  & of course the 3.5 inch floppies were only floppy when you took them out of their rigid plastic case (& thus making them unusable)

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20577

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                    Does anyone remember that CD issue of Wagner's Flying Dutchman conducted by Clemens Krauss that was contained on just one CD? Apparently, as it was a mono recording you had to play it by switching off your left hand speaker and listening to the first part through the right then reverse the process to play the rest. Believe I have the details right though perhaps someone better informed can correct.

                    I think it fell foul of the industry standard and thus disappeared from circulation.
                    Furtwangler's Fidelio was also sold in this way. With some amplifiers, you could feed the appropriate channel through both speakers.

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                    • Don Petter

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      Furtwangler's Fidelio was also sold in this way. With some amplifiers, you could feed the appropriate channel through both speakers.
                      Yup! Viva the old faithful Quad!

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                        Does anyone remember that CD issue of Wagner's Flying Dutchman conducted by Clemens Krauss that was contained on just one CD? Apparently, as it was a mono recording you had to play it by switching off your left hand speaker and listening to the first part through the right then reverse the process to play the rest. Believe I have the details right though perhaps someone better informed can correct.
                        Not only remember it - still have it (and the complete Ring and Parsifal and the WF Fidelio, too. All in the same yellow-fringed box/sleeves (There was also a Furtwangler Beethoven near-cycle [minus #2] which I "left for another day" which never arrived ) I still have the gizmo that the company (Rudolphe) sold to enable you to control the channels without adjusting your preferred settings on the amplifier - very much a "garden shed affair - but it worked well enough!

                        I think it fell foul of the industry standard and thus disappeared from circulation.
                        - I think Phillips' solicitors sent a polite but unambiguous letter!

                        I also have a double-sided CD of WF conducting a complete Freischutz, which looks like a pair of discs stuck on top of each other (so thick, some players can't accept it).
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20577

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

                          I also have a double-sided CD of WF conducting a complete Freischutz, which looks like a pair of discs stuck on top of each other (so thick, some players can't accept it).
                          It was a clumsy arrangement, unlike the properly constructed double sided DVDs.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            It was a clumsy arrangement, unlike the properly constructed double sided DVDs.
                            I'll say! It looks like the two discs have just been glued together - and I daren't play it these days as it looks as if they're coming apart: I can imagine the upper disc getting sliced off and shoved into the mechanism of the machine as the drawer comes open. Or doesn't.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Ferretfancy
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3487

                              #15
                              Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                              I have that disc. It was intended for the DVD-A market. It will play on a regular DVD player but was issued before Blu Ray was invented.
                              Is your Blu Ray player a Sony? Sony won't play any DVD-A material.
                              That's interesting. My Blu Ray player is a Panasonic and I do have a couple of DVD-A discs as well as the single DVD of the Decca Ring which sounds magnificent but the track information is awkward to negotiate.

                              It's very odd that the CD sides of both discs are rejected by my Meridian player with the message 'No disc ' coming up every time I try. The audio on the DVD is OK, but I don't really want to be looking at the TV screen while listening to it.

                              I think I'll just watch the documentary about restoration and call it a day.

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