"Most BBC radio stations to become unavailable for international users"

[Ein Heldenleben]

Just stumbled across this:-

https://blog.thoroughlygood.me/2025/...ternationally/

That seems very plausible - shame it’s an uncredited piece.

[Roger Webb]

The Proms are already syndicated overseas. They get paid for.
The RAI Radio 3 in Italy often relays the Proms live - with their own interval talks.
I guess they are similarly heard and paid for in the US.

Er, you quoted from the blog, they are not my words....I don't agree with what it says, I merely posted it as of interest in the context of the ongoing conversation.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Yes, all of that I agree with.

But the BBC and interested parties, performing rights-wise have to realise with digital communication - the possibilities of which are ever increasing - that it's not going to be possible to police them as they would wish to do. Actually, it has always been thus....but to a lesser degree - for example I had friends who lived in Normandy in the 80s who were classical music fans and listened to BBC Radio 3 on FM with a massive 6 element Yagi array mounted on their roof - they didn't pay a license fee. It has merely become easier to listen to stations from all parts of the globe with the advent of internet radio... 'resistance is useless'!

I followed the TuneIn case and I, like a lot of people were amazed that they didn't appeal against the ruling...it seems quite surprising that Warners et al didn't see fit to sue other aggregators similarly, and that, whilst the lawyers did ok, Warners et al (and those musicians they represent) were not one penny better off for forcing listeners to move the dial, so to speak, to another aggregator, but it did annoy us who had to junk our streamers! How many 'smart speakers' went to the tip in the BBCs attempt to force Sounds app. use on listeners by their 'Shoutcast' decision?!

I love(d) BBC Radio 3 (when in the early 70s I was sent to work in a Communication Centre in the Middle East I used to get an Oppo in London to send the Proms on one of the 'spare' network channels usually used for engineering chit-chat so I could listen on the night watch!), but I'm afraid I'm drifting away (from the BBC, that is!).....making a series of incoherent statements, retracted almost immediately after being discussed on a BBC news programme doesn't fill me with confidence in the management structure.

Suing Tunein was all they had to do. With that precedent their cease and desist letters gather much more force. Suing really is the final option.

[Roger Webb]

That seems very plausible - shame it’s an uncredited piece.

These blogs are put out by industry insider Jon Jacobs who has done work as a copywriter and social media manager for Wigmore Hall, English Concert, Warner Classics, Ulster Orch. etc.

I stuck it up there, not because I agree with its precepts, but because it's an interesting point of view.

[Roger Webb]

Suing Tunein was all they had to do. With that precedent their cease and desist letters gather much more force. Suing really is the final option.

Well those letters have fallen on deaf ears (?) - not a single aggregator has 'ceased' or 'desisted' putting out content 'belonging' to Warners from every radio station on the globe.....except TuneIn - and that only in the UK! TuneIn is still available in every country it streams to, and those radio stations it streams to are pumping out Warners stuff dawn til dusk! I suspect there are other reasons that Warners (and I thought Sony was involved) have picked this particular fight. Try downloading any aggregator from the app. store, you'll find they carry every imaginable radio station in the world.....apart from BBC, of course!

[Ein Heldenleben]

Well those letters have fallen on deaf ears (?) - not a single aggregator has 'ceased' or 'desisted' putting out content 'belonging' to Warners from every radio station on the globe.....except TuneIn - and that only in the UK! TuneIn is still available in every country it streams to, and those radio stations it streams to are pumping out Warners stuff dawn til dusk! I suspect there are other reasons that Warners (and I thought Sony was involved) have picked this particular fight. Try downloading any aggregator from the app. store, you'll find they carry every imaginable radio station in the world.....apart from BBC, of course!

That’s interesting . Warners , like Disney , are very hot on copyright. Wonder if they’ve cut a deal or just don’t think it’s worth the effort for the revenue (compared to the Spotifys and Amazon musics) ? Thing is for the composers and performers it is worth the effort. It’s a miserable time to be a minorish to middling creative artist - especially if like classical musicians there are zero merchandising opportunities at concerts,

[teamsaint]

That’s interesting . Warners , like Disney , are very hot on copyright. Wonder if they’ve cut a deal or just don’t think it’s worth the effort for the revenue (compared to the Spotifys and Amazon musics) ? Thing is for the composers and performers it is worth the effort. It’s a miserable time to be a minorish to middling creative artist - especially if like classical musicians there are zero merchandising opportunities at concerts,

One might ask whether Classical musicians and their agents tend to miss merchandising opportunities.Musicians in other genres often find a way to make useful extra cash and help build the audience.
the big names in classical ( soloists and star conductors ) probably don’t need the money or extra effort, I guess. But chamber musicians , for example with a record deal may be missing a trick?

[Ein Heldenleben]

One might ask whether Classical musicians and their agents tend to miss merchandising opportunities.Musicians in other genres often find a way to make useful extra cash and help build the audience.
the big names in classical ( soloists and star conductors ) probably don’t need the money or extra effort, I guess. But chamber musicians , for example with a record deal may be missing a trick?

Trouble is the somewhat older audience at the LPO’s excellent RFH concerts are unlikely to buy Megadeth style “Rust In Peace “ TShirts at £20.00 a pop.

[Forget It (U2079353)]

Er, you quoted from the blog, they are not my words....I don't agree with what it says, I merely posted it as of interest in the context of the ongoing conversation.

Yes you are correct Roger, I thought about that at the time
and that is why I wrote in my reply "you cite a blog that says: "

[french frank]

The question of 'who pays for the Proms' is a somewhat cloudy one. When I was probing into it (or trying to) some years back, the conclusion I came to was that ticket sales contributed a lot but left a deficit (then) of about £6m p.a. I understood that the £6m actually came out of Radio 3's budget (along with some costs associated with broadcasts of the BBC Performing Groups). If that's still the case and the Proms deficit comes at the expense of other R3 programming, the Proms don't actually cost the BBC anything that they wouldn't have been paying for anyway in funding R3: it was R3 that had to budget for them. I stand to be corrected on that - and would welcome more clarification on the subject of R3's budget since we're told even less about it now that the BBC Trust has been abolished.

[Master Jacques]

That seems very plausible - shame it’s an uncredited piece.

Yes, interesting blog with which I've just caught up. It's not uncredited, in fact:

Writer Jon Jacob is the author behind the Thoroughly Good Classical Music Blog. He’s been writing the blog for 20 years on various platforms. He works as a copywriter, digital content strategist, podcaster, and leadership coach.

[french frank]

Yes, interesting blog with which I've just caught up. It's not uncredited, in fact:

But I feel jj has an innate pro-BBC/R3 bias from having been employed/commissioned/used by R3 in various roles - as a former Radio 3 Proms blogger, for instance. In the past I've sensed a certain suspicion (hostility, animosity certainly too strong) towards Radio 3's critics too . But perhaps I was oversensitive!

[Roger Webb]

Yes, interesting blog with which I've just caught up. It's not uncredited, in fact:

Yes, I answered Ein Heldenleben on this question in post #64

[Roger Webb]

Might be worth having a listen to the latest Feedback (last five minutes).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0029znl?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

As posted by Cockney Sparrow on his thread 'BBC Sounds - access outside the UK'.

[LMcD]

Might be worth having a listen to the latest Feedback (last five minutes).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0029znl?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

As posted by Cockney Sparrow on his thread 'BBC Sounds - access outside the UK'.

Also recommended in post no. 222 on the 'Drama to be eradicated from Radio 3' thread.