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[Bryn]

Which proves my point most eloquently. But if you will throw away a very good Mac because you can't work out how to use it then who am I to argue ?

Oh I could "work out how to use it" well enough. Damn thing was far to selective as to what it would work with. The DVD drive would not even recognise DVD-Rs written using another device. The same discs were not only recognised by all the various Windoze machines I had available, they played well in them too. Damned Apple rubbish did not like mp2 codec (from DAB) either, nor FLAC. Like the old Commodore computers, Apple is too heavily devoted to tying users in. I have been using various Macs in work/study situations since 1985. Even back then I preferred working with CP/M+ than with MSDOS or Mac OS, ah the delights and flexibility of PIP.

[Bryn]

- more-or-less how I was thinking; none of the new features look as if I'd ever have much use for them and the new appearance looks like it might take a while to get used to; neither of which would detract me from "upgrading" if there were distinct advantages to my doing so (such as future security updates) of which I was unaware. I'm quite content with what Windows7 does.

Windows 7 should be safe enough in terms of security updates for a few more years. However, much other support gets removed next year. Depending on what you already have installed on your PC, the 'automatic' download and installation of Windows 10 might not work. On fairly lean machines I have had little trouble upgrading. However, on a couple of machines that baulked at upgrading via the automatic route, I found downloading directly from the Microsoft site and then installing from that download a complete doddle. As with 8 and 8.1, I had some problems with getting Sony Sound Forge Pro 11 to work other than starting it "as administrator". However, deleting the errant registry key resolved that.

[Dave2002]

Oh I could "work out how to use it" well enough. Damn thing was far to selective as to what it would work with. The DVD drive would not even recognise DVD-Rs written using another device. The same discs were not only recognised by all the various Windoze machines I had available, they played well in them too. Damned Apple rubbish did not like mp2 codec (from DAB) either, nor FLAC. Like the old Commodore computers, Apple is too heavily devoted to tying users in. I have been using various Macs in work/study situations since 1985. Even back then I preferred working with CP/M+ than with MSDOS or Mac OS, ah the delights and flexibility of PIP.

Oh for goodness sake Bryn! You'll be saying that you want to want to listen to digital music on a steam driven abacus with enough rods to do the calculations with some pecular form of 1 bit output - maybe a buzzer or clicker running at about 10 clicks/minute, and then if you played some music it'd take centuries to listen to the "music" represented by the clicks. Not sure how you could get a suitable interface for the abacus though from an appropriate input - maybe a stream from Qobuz! Relays, perhaps?

OK - I've written in machine code, assembler, low level languages, scripting languages, high level languages, more modern high level languages - and used many different types of machine. There's no way I'm willingly going to go back to using slow machines in any form of low level language, and I'm just sad that so many people are still writing code using **** languages.

This is just about the kind of code I appreciate - though it still seems to me unnecessarily verbose:

<<qsort1>>=
qsort1 :: Ord a => [a] -> [a]
qsort1 [] = []
qsort1 (p:xs) = qsort1 lesser ++ [p] ++ qsort1 greater
where
lesser = [ y | y <- xs, y < p ]
greater = [ y | y <- xs, y >= p ]


See http://en.literateprograms.org/Quicksort_(Haskell)

I accept perfectly well that at the time you had your Mac it did not work for you. I did point out that I had one which was not great, and that it gave up in about a year and I returned it, probably for scrap. Since then things have got better for Macs, and very probably for PCs and Windows too. The last version of Windows I used in earnest was Windows 7. People should use what works for them, and equally not use what doesn't work for them.