Yosemite anyone?

[Nick Armstrong]

Hmmm..... too many tales of glitches, slow log in etc., esp on older machines (like my MacBook Pro mid-2010), to make this worthwhile yet, for me. Not so keen on the flat, children's picture book look of buttons and icons etc, either.

My MBPs been running so so sweetly since the Mavericks update that I don't feel like jumping in, especially given the whole iOS thing is a waste of time for me.

[Risorgimento]

I don't have a mobile Mac implement so the whole iOS thing is alien/useless for me.

Is there any point me upgrading from the very satisfactory and stable Mavericks I've had since upgrading just under a year ago?

No. I don't think it provides anything extra over Mavericks. Also if you have an older version of iPhoto you may have to shell-out for a newer version. I tried it and binned it. I don't want my Mac looking like an iPhone. I also agree with you on the 'flat look'. Why don't they make everything the same grey? Keep us guessing where the icons are. Seems to me that is the way they are heading.

Also take the furore over iTunes 12...total disaster.

[Pabmusic]

I didn't upgrade to Mavericks (I rather suspect the name put me off. I'm like that). But I've set up Yosemite (slightly better name) and it seems fine. I still have to get Mrs Pab's iPhone connected, but I have plenty of time.

[Dave2002]

I tried it and binned it. I don't want my Mac looking like an iPhone.

Did you "bin it" by using Time Machine, or using a backup? Otherwise it seems rather hard to do.

http://osxdaily.com/2014/10/22/downg...-to-mavericks/ Using Time Machine

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14176 Apple instructions using TM

http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac...emite-3581872/ includes instructions if TM not an option

http://www.macworld.com/article/2458...blic-beta.html as previous link, but written for a Beta version.

The last two methods need the installer files, which may need to be re-obtained if you didn't keep them. This seems rather a pain, as perhaps many will have installed Mavericks without keeping the installer files, and Apple, in its wisdom, has made them inaccessible now on the App store. Some users will be able to download again, but others may not - see the notes. It may be possible to reload or get a friend or colleague to help to obtain the files.

http://apple.stackexchange.com/quest...eloper-preview other clues

I perhaps won't bother to "upgrade" from Mountain Lion now, as I don't want to have a system which looks like an iPhone, and I don't want to have telephone features on my computer. A bit of a nuisance though, as I had thought that Mavericks was looking stable enough to make that a worthwhile upgrade which I might have attempted.

Apple shouldn't make it next to impossible for many users to revert back to a previous OS which works, or for users to obtain a previous version of software. For some this might seem as bad as the Windows 8/Windows 7 issue for PCs.

Also withdrawing the "to Mavericks" change from earlier OS versions almost as soon the "to Yosemite" change is put in place seems unhelpful and will probably result in some users refusing to update for years to come.

[Dave2002]

It looks rather different to Mavericks too. Personally I like the new look, but not everyone does.

Is there anywhere were one can "see" what the new system might look like before committing to a change? That might help some to decide whether to go for it or not.

[MrGongGong]

I didn't upgrade to Mavericks (I rather suspect the name put me off. I'm like that). But I've set up Yosemite (slightly better name) and it seems fine. I still have to get Mrs Pab's iPhone connected, but I have plenty of time.

I always had you down as a surfer dude :wink eye:

http://mashable.com/2014/01/27/mavericks/

[Stunsworth]

Is there anywhere were one can "see" what the new system might look like before committing to a change? That might help some to decide whether to go for it or not.

The easiest way is probably to search for reviews, many of them discuss the look of the user interface. The Ars Technica review I linked to earlier does this - though it's a very long review, I think there's a section on the new interface.

[Pabmusic]

I always had you down as a surfer dude :wink eye:

http://mashable.com/2014/01/27/mavericks/

[Stunsworth]

Is there anywhere were one can "see" what the new system might look like before committing to a change? That might help some to decide whether to go for it or not.

This link compares various Mavericks and Yosemite screens...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/10/a-visual-tour-of-os-x-yosemites-changes/

[Dave2002]

This link compares various Mavericks and Yosemite screens...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/10...mites-changes/

Thanks. A lot of this seems to be simply cosmetic - not necessarily an improvement - but not necessarily worse either. Simplification, which may be the case for many aspects, may be a good thing, though it might go a bit far in some cases.

What would be more interesting is to know whether it works well on all the appropriate machines. From what I've read Yosemite is optimised for Retina displays, which could be good for those who have them. A few months ago I saw incompatibilities between Macbook Air and Macbook Pro (Retina) when looking at PDFs usig Preview. The document in question was unreadable in Preview on the Air machine, though it was viewable in Acrobat. Things like that could be a real pain if they need to be dealt with by special and exceptional treatment on different machines.

OTOH the new OS may actually have improved issues like that - but my concerns are (a) it's too early to tell, and (b) migration "forwards" to Yosemite from Mavericks or earlier OSs may be too difficult for most of us to reverse if the new system turns out to be too unwieldy.

As it happens I have several machines, so I could probably try it on one, which would probably not present me with a disaster situation, but other people may not have that option.

I suppose one other approach might be to run it virtually - say inside Parallels. Is it possible to get a working OS inside Parallels, then do the installation within a VM, leaving the host OS untouched? What does the App Store do if it detects a VM copy of an Apple OS - does anyone know?

[Globaltruth]

I've upgraded the MacBook Air to Yosemite - so far one image manipulation app has had probs. - the print dialogue disappeared, instead I was presented with a blank grey screen, all else ok in that and all other apps I've tried.
To be fair to Pearl Mountain, the app producers, they not only knew about it but emailed me when the fixed version was available on App Store. I love pro-activity in those situations.
I upgraded because there is a long standing bug with BT Home Hub and multiple Apple devices whereby random Apple devices lose connectivity that I was hoping may be fixed.
It isn't, and I suspect a deepseated BT problem ....there is a work round - switch WiFi off on MAcBook when it's not in use. Eventually I'll upgrade the HomeHub from v3...

So far, I haven't noticed any real changes with Yosemite, other than cosmetics...

[MrGongGong]

So far, I haven't noticed any real changes with Yosemite, other than cosmetics...

It seems that for most users this is ok
but amongst the folks I meet who use their computers for audio / image editing and performance it's a definite "no go" area.

Even though I don't use it anymore it seems more than a little daft that Apple would release a new OS that wont run Pro Tools
and there are problems with Logic (which is an Apple product )

[Nick Armstrong]

As it happens I have several machines, so I could probably try it on one, which would probably not present me with a disaster situation, but other people may not have that option.

I had a similar thought. I dug out the older Macbook Pro here, still functioning but on 10.5. It's early 2008 and according to the Yosemite blurb should be ok (MBPs since late 2007 are said to be ok for the upgrade). But you need to have 10.6 mounted on the machine first. And that costs £14. Can I be bothered?

[Dave2002]

re part of msg 25:

It is possible to get versions of OS X working within Parallels, for example. Whether it's possible to upgrade a version from within the Parallels VM environment I'm not sure - perhaps not, but if one has a OS image file it's possible to run different versions of OS X. Maybe getting the required image files is non trivial, though I happen to know someone who has done this ... and kept the files ....

Parallels works OK with OS X run this way. Other VM environments may work, such as VirtualBox etc. - and I have had those working with various OSs in the past, though I think Parallels is better.

[Stunsworth]

From what I've read Yosemite is optimised for Retina displays, which could be good for those who have them. A few months ago I saw incompatibilities between Macbook Air and Macbook Pro (Retina) when looking at PDFs usig Preview. The document in question was unreadable in Preview on the Air machine, though it was viewable in Acrobat. Things like that could be a real pain if they need to be dealt with by special and exceptional treatment on different machines

I don't use a retina display. I have two screens attached to my main Mac Mini, a 27" screen running at 2560x1600 and a 23" screen running at 1920x1080. I can't say I've noticed any display issues with either - though the higher resolution monitor is the better of the two.