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  • Dave2002
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    • Dec 2010
    • 18034

    #16
    Mr GG - love the BBC minidisc article.

    Re my earlier comments on digital and maintaining quality, it is of course possible to get paranoid about this. For example, the recordings I made recently have, with all due respect, flaws which have nothing to do with the recording, or the recordist, or the equipment used. I don't want to degrade the audio quality further if I can avoid that, but it's possible that some technical degradation would in fact be almost completely inaudible to most listeners.

    Sometimes it may make sense to perform a technical degradation in order to achieve an overall better result. This may be particularly true for video, but could also be true for audio. I have some high resolution videos which I took on a camera in Africa. Some of these do not play well on many computers, or on computers running certain operating systems. After trying one video on several iMacs - with fast and slow processors, and also comparing the same video on Windows also running on one of the iMacs I came to the conclusion that the videos would not work reliably on just any computer. I then surmised that part of the problem was actually reading in the data in real time during playback, so I tried using a very small amount of digital compression (fractional - perhaps even less than 1% degradation) in order to reduce the file size. This resulted in a file perhaps 3 times smaller, but that played without any obvious visible bad effects, and all the stuttering and jittering in the original file was removed. In a case like that I'd still keep the original, as in the future it might be possible to use it directly, but for playing I'd always use the compressed version.

    One of the articles I mentioned earlier does indicate that there is compatibility between ATRAC versions, claiming that even the earliest devices could playback recordings done using later standards. However, this is not the same as claiming that the quality of playback would be as good. There is also some discussion about how many copies (non digital) can be made before artefacts start to become obvious, and this can be as few as 3 or 4, at least for early equipment. Thus if possible copies should be made of the original digital from the MD, and as MrGG suggests, some pro equipment can copy MDs or extract the files without the problems of DRM etc. which make this difficult for end users using consumer equipment.

    It is still possible, as I claimed, that newer equipment could extract even more "quality" from the recordings, though realistically from what has been mentioned so far, the limitations are more likely to be due to the sources - perhaps broadcast quality FM, which is in many ways lower quality anyway than MD quality. It would still make sense to keep the original MDs as "master" versions, and if copies are made, then ideally they should be digital copies.
    Last edited by Dave2002; 23-11-15, 18:08. Reason: typo - spelling

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    • Dave2002
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 18034

      #17
      I didn't realise until a few minutes ago that there had been multitrack MD recorders, such as the Sony MDM-X4 see http://www.minidisc.org/manuals/sony/sony_mdm-x4.pdf

      They recorded by treating the discs as data discs, seemingly.

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      • MrGongGong
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        #18
        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
        I didn't realise until a few minutes ago that there had been multitrack MD recorders, such as the Sony MDM-X4 see http://www.minidisc.org/manuals/sony/sony_mdm-x4.pdf

        They recorded by treating the discs as data discs, seemingly.
        Yes, they were the successor to the cassette based Portastudio.

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        • Beresford
          Full Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 557

          #19
          I still use my minidisc machine (Sony MDS-JB930) every day, as a sort of digital pre-amp, as it has three digital and one analogue input, and the "record level" knob, without a disc inserted, is used as a volume control. I used it a lot for recording from FM, and CD's copied digitally sounded as good the CD player. But in the last few years the computer stuff with "HD" on Radio3, and Listen Again, have largely replaced the recording facilities. The minidisc method was great for editing out Petroc, clapping, and so forth.

          I found out that the Kronos Quartet used Minidisc for cues in some performances (from an interview):-
          "Kronos Quartet use a fair amount of prerecorded music cues that come from a minidisc that Scott Fraser (their sound engineer on tour) controls. I had not been aware that the Sony MDE-11 can be set to automatically stop after a given cue, rather than needing to be paused. “A lot of times, I’ve got my nose in a score – I’m only thinking about ‘go,’ not pauses,” Scott told me. The minidisc cues also appear in the submixers for the musicians’ headphones, folded back from the FOH board. "

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