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  • LMcD
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    • Sep 2017
    • 8893

    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
    Yes but it was a superb opus the quality of which he never, through alleged substance abuse and mental health issues never got anywhere near achieving ever again!
    Then there's 'Good Vibrations' .... hmmm .... Perhaps there's more to some of these songs than I realized.
    What a wonderful learning resource the Forum is, to be sure!

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    • Keraulophone
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      • Nov 2010
      • 2007

      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
      Then there's 'Good Vibrations'
      Theremin at 0’30... ok, really an Electro-Theremin.

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22259

        Originally posted by LMcD View Post
        Then there's 'Good Vibrations' .... hmmm .... Perhaps there's more to some of these songs than I realized.
        What a wonderful learning resource the Forum is, to be sure!
        In fairness there were many odd gems after Pet Sounds but no albums matched it and Smiley Smile which followed it was bereft of gems other than ‘Heroes and Villains’ and ‘Good Vibrations’ but then the BBs have brought us over 58 years of good music - for their 50th anniversary Brian Wilson and Mike Love’s temporary truce gave us the legacy of a more than acceptable album full of new songs.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          Yes but it was a superb opus the quality of which he never, through alleged substance abuse and mental health issues never got anywhere near achieving ever again!
          Try "Brian Wilson", the 1988 Solo Album, one of NME's Albums of the Year sometimes referred to as Pet Sounds 1988....

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          • LMcD
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            • Sep 2017
            • 8893

            I just love it when some people take some of my messages seriously. It helps reduce the Forum's chronic frivolity deficit.

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
              I just love it when some people take some of my messages seriously. It helps reduce the Forum's chronic frivolity deficit.
              "You are the deed's creature..."

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              • cloughie
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                • Dec 2011
                • 22259

                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                Try "Brian Wilson", the 1988 Solo Album, one of NME's Albums of the Year sometimes referred to as Pet Sounds 1988....
                But it wasn’t was it?

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                • Bella Kemp
                  Full Member
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 495

                  Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                  Excellent Nick.....

                  If everybody did this I might consider a return myself........
                  (So many New Releases uncommented this autumn...has none else been lifechanged by this one...https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/zu...r67cyqpsvv6ab?)

                  Lays waste to the Catalogue. 2020 RotY whatever else comes out...

                  But anyway Nick.....F1 is pretty good so far isn't it? Italian/Tuscan GPs, Mugello, wow! (Hope your various protégés are OK...)

                  I see there are 8 PMs..... do my best to read them but TheRealLife is pretty tough now....
                  It would be wonderful to see you back Jayne. Your insightful and beautifully-written observations were enriching and a joy to read.

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                  • LMcD
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                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8893

                    PM received from Southampton 'Desmond' 1969 ( - obviously NOT his, her, its or their or its real name) advising me that I am apparently 'the deed's creature' ... I've absolutely NO idea what that means, but I'm cocky enough to take its as a compliment - so, thank you whoever you are!
                    Seriously though, folks (think Hughie Green if you're of that generation) - only humour in its various forms is going to get us through the various horrors that are coming down the road.
                    Last edited by LMcD; 18-09-20, 07:40.

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
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                      • Apr 2014
                      • 7227

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      PM received from Southampton 'Desmond' 1969 ( - obviously NOT his, her, its or their or its real name) advising me that I am apparently 'the deed's creature' ... I've absolutely NO idea what that means, but I'm cocky enough to take its as a compliment - so, thank you whoever you are!
                      Seriously though, folks (think Hughie Green if you're of that generation) - only humour in its various forms is going to get us through the various horrors that are coming down the road.
                      Whoever they are they must be fairly well-read to use a quote from Thomas Middleton ...
                      I can’t remember anything about the play which I haven’t read for 40 years but I don’t think it’s a compliment. You don’t get a huge number of those in revenge tragedies..
                      PS you are right about humour. (Which incidentally had a completely different meaning in MIddleton’s day )
                      Last edited by Ein Heldenleben; 18-09-20, 08:01.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30747

                        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                        I can’t remember anything about the play which I haven’t read for 40 years but I don’t think it’s a compliment.
                        Very inexactly, some woman wanted to hire a hit man to kill someone else and his price was that he should have his evil way with her. She recoils at the idea that she would abase herself in such a way and that was his reply. The deed that she sought to effect (murder) had created of her (made her its 'creature') a person whose conscience shouldn't be bothered by the consequent commission of such a peccadillo as infidelity/unchastity or whatever.

                        Dunno how that affects LMcD
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 7227

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Very inexactly, some woman wanted to hire a hit man to kill someone else and his price was that he should have his evil way with her. She recoils at the idea that she would abase herself in such a way and that was his reply. The deed that she sought to effect (murder) had created of her (made her its 'creature') a person whose conscience shouldn't be bothered by the consequent commission of such a peccadillo as infidelity/unchastity or whatever.

                          Dunno how that affects LMcD
                          Thanks FF I started reading plot summaries of the Changeling but you have summarised it so much more punchily. Now rooting through old books looking for a copy.

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                          • LMcD
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                            • Sep 2017
                            • 8893

                            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                            Thanks FF I started reading plot summaries of the Changeling but you have summarised it so much more punchily. Now rooting through old books looking for a copy.
                            I don't actually recall reading any previous messages - on-screen or private - from a Forum member who apparently attended a not-that-special redbrick university in the 1960s - at least it wasn't one of those dreadful 'plate-glass' institutions like *ss*x or - even worse - *** (you know, the one just outside N*rw*ch).

                            Did I not mention that he/she/it/they was/were advising me of a comment somebody else had made about me - possibly somebody on my Ignore List?

                            I'll happily respond to #132 when I've got my head round it, but my initial impression is that it reads like a synopsis of the plot of a depressing number of episodes of the Eternal Recurrence that is Midsomer Murders.

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                            • Richard Barrett
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                              • Jan 2016
                              • 6259

                              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                              even worse - *** (you know, the one just outside N*rw*ch)
                              I always liked that place, it had a very progressive and interesting music department which I had the opportunity to visit a few times for concerts and academic events, until said department was closed down by beancounters... so now yes, it's a waste of space as far as I'm concerned. (I'm an alumnus of UCL which sadly has never had a music department.) As for Midsomer Murders, I've occasionally watched that with my mother, and thought to myself that surely by now there must only be half a dozen or so people left living there!

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                                I always liked that place, it had a very progressive and interesting music department which I had the opportunity to visit a few times for concerts and academic events, until said department was closed down by beancounters... so now yes, it's a waste of space as far as I'm concerned. (I'm an alumnus of UCL which sadly has never had a music department.) As for Midsomer Murders, I've occasionally watched that with my mother, and thought to myself that surely by now there must only be half a dozen or so people left living there!
                                Climate change research might not have advanced quite as well without said institution, other negative aspects notwithstanding.

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