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[Nick Armstrong]

That's just the trouble, though. Nobody recognises the abuse they dish out as abuse.

That's how things escalate.

There's frequently an unpleasant 'passive-aggressive' tendency too, of the leading abusers being among the first to complain about what hapless victims they are when they receive similar treatment.

[MrGongGong]

The above was directed at me, and from a thread about the Henry Wood Fantasia on British Sea Songs.

So bad behaviour is not just restricted to discussions about politics.

Come off it Peester , you chuck it out more than enough.

and this

Originally Posted by MrGongGong
what on earth is an "annoying" development anyway ?
Do you mean having to actually listen to something you haven't heard before ?

Which I thought extremely condescending and patronising, suggesting, based on no evidence whatsoever- that the poster- not me- was a stick in the mud who did not want to hear anything new.

And I am sure most would anyway agree that my post was not on the same level as the personalised abuse I quoted above.

Isn't entirely totally serious is it ?

I think the problem is partly (and I have much personal experience of this) is that some people treat language in a very concrete way
so that if I said something like

"and as for Elgar, I think ANYONE who thinks he is on a par with the great John Cage should be thrown in the sea and left to drown".... some folk will actually think that I really DO want to throw people in the sea (well I would throw the score of a certain piece in the deep ocean )

If you want to have a "civilised" debating society then I'm sure there are plenty of places to go

[Mr Pee]

"and as for Elgar, I think ANYONE who thinks he is on a par with the great John Cage should be thrown in the sea and left to drown"....

John Cage and Elgar.....on a par.......I'm off for a lie-down........

[ahinton]

"and as for Elgar, I think ANYONE who thinks he is on a par with the great John Cage should be thrown in the sea and left to drown".... some folk will actually think that I really DO want to throw people in the sea (well I would throw the score of a certain piece in the deep ocean )

The Sea Pictures, presumably - altough, for the sake of balance, you might as well chuck the Thirty Pieces for String Quartet in with it to keep it company. Point taken, of course, yet anyone who claimed, even frivolously, that Elgar is on a par with Cage would presumably have scant understanding of either.

That said - and continuing your nautical theme - even this thread seems to be sailing dangerously close to the very kind of slanging match in the recently relocated thread that's been variously argued about, deplored and the like here. Who's for having some Roman Catholics introducing gay marriage and Western musical homophobia into Syria, then? Come on, now; you know that you want to! - and it would beat gratuitous Elgar-bashing hands down!

[Richard Barrett]

as for Elgar, I think ANYONE who thinks he is on a par with the great John Cage should be thrown in the sea and left to drown

At last the voice of reason.

[ahinton]

John Cage and Elgar.....on a par.......I'm off for a lie-down........

That might well hve been the effect that MrGG intended, but I will of course defer to him on that.

Having said that, though, Cage and Elgar each have names full of music notation (the latter requiring the use of sol-fa) and they each wrote some of the same notes...

[ahinton]

At last the voice of reason.

Your feelings about Elgar are already well know hereabouts and elsewhere, of course but, just as a matter of genuine interest, do you find every work of his to be anathema or just most of them?

[Flosshilde]

You are Tony Blair, and I claim my Five pounds.

He isn't is he (protestant, that is)? I thought he'd been converted shortly after he converted the Labour party from being socialist.

[Flosshilde]

If they're only hurting each other, what harm are they doing to the rest of us? I mean if they keep out the way of decent, law abiding citizens why shouldn't they be allowed their fun?

Well, why shouldn't they?

[Flosshilde]

(well I would throw the score of a certain piece in the deep ocean )

The Sea Pictures?

Ah, just seen that AHinton had the same thought

[teamsaint]

He isn't is he (protestant, that is)? I thought he'd been converted shortly after he converted the Labour party from being socialist.

I already fessed up on the religion thing. Floss. He used to be both, as you say.

Now he is a banker.

And that is spelled correctly, and factually accurate.

[ahinton]

The Sea Pictures?

Already suggested in #124, Flossie!

[Flosshilde]

I already fessed up on the religion thing. Floss.

Already suggested in #124, Flossie!

The perils of responding to a post without reading to the end of the thread

Sorry, chaps (& chapesse, in TS's case?)

[MrGongGong]

The Sea Pictures?

Ah, just seen that AHinton had the same thought

Actually I meant DOG (but you can have the Sea Pictures in the briny as well !)

[eighthobstruction]

Strange that posters are not visiting the P & CA board....is there any reason for that??....http://www.for3.org/forums/forumdisp...urrent-Affairs