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[Dave2002]

The downside of the R3Forum is that you can't get liked in the first place

Do we care?

[Sir Velo]

Our 'Friend' has immediately departed in a huff and set up his own Group - with the original name. I'm keeping a watching brief to see if it takes off and I'll publicise the details if so (it appears to have one fewer members this morning - and one person has already said he doesn't recognise the station as the one he listens to every day). He aims at getting 30,000 members, it seems, but I suspect he'll find it harder than he thinks: if it's what he wants, he should have done that in the first place as he already had many more Facebook 'friends' of his own (over 100) than me (0).

In spite of his calling me a 'moron' I shall advise all the FoR3 bigwigs as a) they have more clout and b) they'll be more likely to be on Facebook for their own self-advertising purposes. But I propose to push FoR3 a bit harder. Anyone who appreciates the quieter, more intellectual approach, please join us. As I say, if it looks as if his more strident campaign is a success, I'll publicise it.

I'm happy to support any organisation which pushes for change. I have to say I think the softly, softly approach hasn't worked. Wright obviously has complete contempt for all opposing points of view so one shouldn't fall for that slightly bumblingly genial demeanour. I also favour disrupting their Facebook self-congratulatory smugness with as many condemnatory postings as possible if for no other reason than to cause maximum embarrassment to them. Although I note that R3 has already removed some hostile posts from yesterday - so much for Facebook being an opportunity for listeners to provide feedback.

[french frank]

I also favour disrupting their Facebook self-congratulatory smugness with as many condemnatory postings as possible if for no other reason than to cause maximum embarrassment to them. Although I note that R3 has already removed some hostile posts from yesterday - so much for Facebook being an opportunity for listeners to provide feedback.

I've just posted my third and propose to continue. Remember they stopped posting anything about Breakfast because there were so many hostile comments. Now the field is left to families with young children to say how much they all love it.

It will need all Facebookers here to go and gripe. Not respond helpfully to their questions or tell them how lovely they are

[amateur51]

I've just posted my third and propose to continue. Remember they stopped posting anything about Breakfast because there were so many hostile comments. Now the field is left to families with young children to say how much they all love it.

It will need all Facebookers here to go and gripe. Not respond helpfully to their questions or tell them how lovely they are

I have a dormant FB account - how do I find what you want me to post on?

[french frank]

I have a dormant FB account - how do I find what you want me to post on?

It's here https://www.facebook.com/bbcradio3

You should be able to read it but you need to be logged in to Facebook to post.

It has never been my idea that the page should be hijacked, wholesale - but there are occasions which cry out for intervention.And one needs, as far as possible to keep focused on what we understand to be commonly held opinions, rather than try and press our own likes and dislikes. That simply gets the response that it's 'just a matter of taste' and many other people do like it.

And much as jazz fans (and to some extent spoken arts people) have dissatisfactions, it is only the classical output that is 'vandalised', cheapened and deliberately targeted on another audience (not us), which they like to publicise as including very young children. Fine to have children's programmes, but that's not a reason for all adults to have to suffer them, five days a week (at least) throughout peak listening times.

[teamsaint]

If it is any consolation FF, and I don't suppose it is, The Glasto coverage, especially online, appears to have been devised by 12 year olds , for 12 year olds.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

If it is any consolation FF, and I don't suppose it is, The Glasto coverage, especially online, appears to have been devised by 12 year olds , for 12 year olds.

I'd noticed that, ts - I wondered if this was a deliberate ploy to balance out the seventy-year-olds on stage?

[teamsaint]

I'd noticed that, ts - I wondered if this was a deliberate ploy to balance out the seventy-year-olds on stage?

LOLS, ferney, just Lols.

WHY is C21 rock/pop generally so vacuous in its content? The bands seem only to want to be rich and loved.
Or am I missing the good stuff ?

Ah well, back to folk music to keep the flag of hope flying.

(is there a flag of hope, or am I just imagining it?)

Edit : Please be assured those were Post modern ironic Lols.........

Super edit.....although not really post modern, in fact.

[french frank]

I'd noticed that, ts - I wondered if this was a deliberate ploy to balance out the seventy-year-olds on stage?

There does seem to be something of a mismatch- my nephew will probably be stewarding as usual (I think for Oxfam) and I can't imagine him being that impressed by the Stones - other than just a rock group. Nowt special.

But the coverage, as in presentation, well, that's other people's problem. I don't see that it need even enter Radio 3's ambit - other than perhaps on Late Junction. But with this morning's Breakfast you'd think it was central to what Radio 3 does. It's not as if other services aren't covering it (in a way) for those who are interested. I always thought the Stones were a bit silly, especially Mick Jagger. Show-off.

[jayne lee wilson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... nothing more boring than an ageing rocker, oh so coooool that they're not cool anymore. I was 4 when the 60s began, grew up with all this, the music, the drugs arrests, ToTP, Ready SG, Dusty in her beehive, brocades and minis, Alan Freeman, Sunday Pick of The..., Byrds singing Tambourine man and those windmills, gorgeous Marianne Faithfull (more durable & substantial than the wrinkly Stones) what do I need it for now? Why do "the young" need it? Or their parents? Terribly, terribly, faute de mieux. What else do they know? Download a few LvB albums, mix it in with Rita Ora and Jessie J...
"Pop will eat itself" was the name of a band Janice Long often played on Radio 1 evenings in the 80s - well it has, hasn't it? Largely consumed by greed, fame, Simon Cowell and money. It was over when Gordon Brown told us he had The Arctic Monkeys on his iPod. Or when the Beatles were remastered in Mono and reissued for the !!th, sorry 11th, time... when Dark Side of the Moon was reissued in SACD, then multi-ch... and reviewed again in HIFI CHoice... and worshipped again... so Mum reads Proust, Barbara Pym & loves X-Factor....

Yes good songs are still written and recorded and performed... till they get gobbled up by fame and money (save yourself Dizzy! Is the sacrosanct Scott Walker still alive?!)... "Glasto"? It's "what you do" isn't it? And only for one reason - you go to Glastonbury to say you've been to Glastonbury.

I hope "The Establishment" (whether babies, kids, teenagers, politicians or parents) never discover "Classical Music". They'd make it so coooool it would instantly be......

Thank God for The BBC Proms .... and I'm SO hip I could die...

[teamsaint]

splendid post JLW, as ever.
Confused me, but that is probably my fault.
Couple of things though...
These" Establishment Babies" intrigue me... and Marianne Faithful? Love the singing, but she has the kind of productivity rate that brings countries to their knees ! But its quality not quantity that counts I suppose.

[jayne lee wilson]

I always felt Marianne Faithfull clung to some sense of a real, un-fame-adulterated self. I think her Stones & stoned 60s experience opened her eyes a shade.

As for the babies what chance have they got with Sam & Dave for parents? (they're not all like you ts...)

I'm glad I stuck to cats. No chance of kittens here...

[Sir Velo]

But the coverage, as in presentation, well, that's other people's problem. I don't see that it need even enter Radio 3's ambit - other than perhaps on Late Junction. But with this morning's Breakfast you'd think it was central to what Radio 3 does. It's not as if other services aren't covering it (in a way) for those who are interested. I always thought the Stones were a bit silly, especially Mick Jagger. Show-off.

I think the angle they're plugging is along the lines of: look at us at Radio 3, we like hip (sic) rock music like the Stones and classical music too. So you needn't feel embarrassed listening to us. After all, we like the same things. Nothing square about us.

[french frank]

I think the angle they're plugging is along the lines of: look at us at Radio 3, we like hip (sic) rock music like the Stones and classical music too. So you needn't feel embarrassed listening to us. After all, we like the same things. Nothing square about us.

I truly think that people who take the view that 'There's still a lot to enjoy on Radio 3, much that you wouldn't be able to hear anywhere else,', don't realise how quickly the tide is rising. On the 'Interval' thread we have Radio 3 now admitting it can't afford proper interval talks and music is played because it's the cheapest option. We have local radio presenters drafted in to present the programme which has Radio 3's biggest audience, even though the names of Respighi and Leporello lie somewhere outside their experience. My presumption is that Doctor Who, Urban Classic and Broadway Proms are needed to guarantee sell-out concerts and keep the revenue shortfall down to a minimum - since Radio 3 has to pay for it out of its own budget.

Yes, financially the BBC has had some problems with a licence fee freeze: but it seems that amounts to priorities - and some services have still done pretty well: Radio 4's budget - by far the biggest of any of the radio services, by miles, is ring fenced. Radio 1 leapfrogs over Radio 3 leaving 3's programming as the cheapest of the network (national) stations. Getting new listeners doesn't make the programmes cost less: making cheaper programmes does.

'Oh, no, my lord, parts of it are excellent.'

[MrGongGong]

I always thought the Stones were a bit silly, especially Mick Jagger. Show-off.

Surely that's the point ?
very knowing and a complete understanding of the semiotics of performance.......(as they say )