New schedule changes 2018

[Quarky]

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Agreed. I would prefer to reserve judgement until I've heard the programmes. But looks promising.

[teamsaint]

Not sure I’m that excited about Inside Music. Sounds as though it may well veer in the direction of celebrity led playlist programming,from reading the press release.
A return of Discovering Music ,in a range of formats would be preferable.

Colin Currie says: "I’m thrilled to be involved in the launch of Inside Music. The programme focusses on personal musical tastes and passions, and I’m delighted to be able to make my offerings in this inaugural episode."

[DracoM]

Not sure I’m that excited about Inside Music. Sounds as though it may well veer in the direction of celebrity led playlist programming,from reading the press release.
A return of Discovering Music ,in a range of formats would be preferable.

Colin Currie says: "I’m thrilled to be involved in the launch of Inside Music. The programme focusses on personal musical tastes and passions, and I’m delighted to be able to make my offerings in this inaugural episode."

So we get even closer to R2 formatting.
Looks as if we are about to get more sequences of 'names'-led 'tracks'

[french frank]

So we get even closer to R2 formatting.
Looks as if we are about to get more sequences of 'names'-led 'tracks'

Will there be 'more' than there were before?

Not sure I’m that excited about Inside Music. Sounds as though it may well veer in the direction of celebrity led playlist programming,from reading the press release.
A return of Discovering Music ,in a range of formats would be preferable.

Colin Currie says: "I’m thrilled to be involved in the launch of Inside Music. The programme focusses on personal musical tastes and passions, and I’m delighted to be able to make my offerings in this inaugural episode."

That's not the impression I was given by R3 beforehand which was that the musician would be discussing the music more 'technically'. I'm not particularly interested in 'percussion' and a 'percussion concerto' is not something I would look forward to. But a percussionist talking about percussion and 'percussionism' with music to illustrate would interest. A point to be made to management will be that hanging music on to some individual (celebrity or listener)'s likes, dislikes, personal life &c is 'entertainment' and downgrades the importance of the music: focusing on the music itself is 'instruction/education'.

On the other hand, there does seem to be a tendency to centre comment on the subjective: 'I don't like that: why haven't you changed it?' or 'I liked that: why have you changed it?'

Drama has finally come down to 'theatre time' having started at 10pm, and three (did I hear hint of a fourth?) programmes which already had a bad press are being changed in ways which we shan't be able to judge until we hear them.

And some interesting programmes for late night have been suggested. That seems to be the overall picture.

[teamsaint]

Will there be 'more' than there were before?



That's not the impression I was given by R3 beforehand which was that the musician would be discussing the music more 'technically'. I'm not particularly interested in 'percussion' and a 'percussion concerto' is not something I would look forward to. But a percussionist talking about percussion and 'percussionism' with music to illustrate would interest. A point to be made to management will be that hanging music on to some individual (celebrity or listener)'s likes, dislikes, personal life &c is 'entertainment' and downgrades the importance of the music: focusing on the music itself is 'instruction/education'.

On the other hand, there does seem to be a tendency to centre comment on the subjective: 'I don't like that: why haven't you changed it?' or 'I liked that: why have you changed it?'

Drama has finally come down to 'theatre time' having started at 10pm, and three (did I hear hint of a fourth?) programmes which already had a bad press are being changed in ways which we shan't be able to judge until we hear them.

And some interesting programmes for late night have been suggested. That seems to be the overall picture.

My point about Inside Music was really that it doesn’t seem to be much more than a tweak to Satuday Classics, not that I do or don’t like it.

And re Discovering Music, it , or something like it, simply ought to have a place on R3.

[french frank]

My point about Inside Music was really that it doesn’t seem to be much more than a tweak to Satuday Classics, not that I do or don’t like it.

Yes, sorry - I did take that point. I just meant that what I'd been told didn't tally with the press release, which does sound like Saturday Classics (except, possibly, that 'only musicians need apply'). But if the experts aren't sharing their expertise, why bother?

And re Discovering Music, it , or something like it, simply ought to have a place on R3.

Not going to say too much here, but from another scrap of information that I was given, I have constructed an argument in favour of DM or something very similar.

[Serial_Apologist]

A little more about J to Z: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0622r35

Thematically, it seems similar in some respects to Jazz from J to Z.

So long as it's about jazz from Jay to Zed as well as Jay to Zee, (not the rap star), I'm not too troubled.

[cloughie]

So long as it's about jazz from Jay to Zed as well as Jay to Zee, (not the rap star), I'm not too troubled.

As in Zed Zed Top?


Yes but is the change of name necessary or even suitable? Was its predecessor broken?

[Quarky]

I'm sure there's some significance in the new title but it's lost on me!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jazz, and the Word was Jazz.

[teamsaint]

Yes, sorry - I did take that point. I just meant that what I'd been told didn't tally with the press release, which does sound like Saturday Classics (except, possibly, that 'only musicians need apply'). But if the experts aren't sharing their expertise, why bother?



Not going to say too much here, but from another scrap of information that I was given, I have constructed an argument in favour of DM or something very similar.

Well that sounds positive. In my imagination, DM is a strong thread running right through R3's output, from short pieces perhaps introducing significant concert performances, to longer, in depth pieces, appealing to the better versed listener. GCSE/A Level/Undergrad, if you like. And they could tie in anniversaries to help shift Proms tickets . Win/ Win.



I have my doubts about how much experts can share their expertise meaningfully in that kind of format. But we will have to wait and see.

[Old Grumpy]

So long as it's about jazz from Jay to Zed as well as Jay to Zee, (not the rap star), I'm not too troubled.

Kanske også je til set? (I realise this may be a little contentious on this forum...)

OG

[cloughie]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jazz, and the Word was Jazz.

I don't buy that one because it only began in the early C20th.

[french frank]

On the Saturday programme I have prised this from Radio 3 (I asked, 'Isn't this just Saturday Classics under a new name?'):

"'Inside Music' is meant to be much more about musicians talking about their experience in their field of expertise and playing music that they have played or has helped shape their practice or musical outlook, but expressing (we hope) a musical response, explaining that response and not gushing. It assumes that listeners will not be against some musical talk if clear and well expressed."

On Choir and Organ ('Is this just a change of presenter with the same format?'):

"The aim of the new programme is to give listeners an exposure to a range of classical choral and organ music with inherent musical interest and quality. We shall, however look forward to your/ the Forumaneros' [sic] suggestion.....getting this programme right is important. "

The suggestion in the forthcoming FoR3 Book is:

"A programme which has a single clear focus would be preferable: for example, ‘French organists’, ‘improvisation’, ‘the German Baroque’, ‘the organ music of Mozart’, along with some expert/critical content " to which a further suggestion was:

"Good idea also to focus occasionally on a particular choir (e.g. an Estonian one, or RIAS Chamber Choir) and have its conductor in the studio to introduce examples of their work. ... In general, I think it tries to be 'popular', 'accessible', call it what you will, whereas the potential audience is probably people with a more specialist interest."

And:

"There are great choral works which can be performed inside an hour and I'm not sure what the grounds would be for not having, for example, related works broadcast as a series over several weeks. At the moment it seems to promise a programme for lovers of choral and organ music, but it delivers just a usual mixed bag of very short works – like Breakfast."

So at least they will know

[DracoM]

Endorse all that.

Particularly the point that if they name it similar to 'Choir and Organ', erm....guess what? They will get listeners who have some expertise in those fields, hence eager for / wanting more than just 'tracks.

What a pity - and it tells us so much about current R3 thinking - that this actually needs spelling out at all!

[subcontrabass]

Perhaps one might also ask why, in a programme entitled "Choir and Organ", we do not encounter them together.