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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37851

    #46


    it does seem strange, though, that RVW should have to resort to such an archaic contraption to cope with his deafness, when my grandfather, the same age as RVW at that time, had a perfectly good battery-powered hearing aid. It had a sort of microphone clipped into his top jacket pocket, and one was required to speak into that. I remember that, whenever he turned up the volume level, it whistled.

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    • oddoneout
      Full Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 9308

      #47
      [QUOTE=ferneyhoughgeliebte;580799]I thyink that this is right - but that before MfP there was Homeward Bound, which consisted of a stream of Music uninterrupted by any speech at all, the "items" featured announced only at the end of the programme.
      Personally, I was always annoyed by the fact that there would regularly be pieces that I didn't know, but which I couldn't discover more about because I couldn't listen until the very end./QUOTE]

      But that wouldn't be an issue these days would it, what with the little moving screen that radios seem to have these days telling you what's playing, or 'devices' to engage with Charlotte's Web?
      I liked trying to guess who the composers were when I didn't recognise the piece. I seem to remember it had a jaunty signature tune, which always made me smile and was the prelude to an enjoyable period of music listening.

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      • oddoneout
        Full Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 9308

        #48
        Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
        but I'm afraid SR is yet another switch off for me - much too much chatter - maybe if there was one good interview per programme it may be better but needs a different person and to be honest possibly some pre-recording as not all musicians are coherent or even fluent in English when interviewed
        I too find SR the problem on this programme, and as his is not exactly the kind of spoken English that some of his interviewees would be used to I found it painful listening to them trying to navigate their way to something familiar in his accented ramblings. I struggled to find the question in his verbiage on many occasions, so no wonder some of these poor souls were completely adrift.

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        • Old Grumpy
          Full Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 3652

          #49
          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
          I too find SR the problem on this programme, and as his is not exactly the kind of spoken English that some of his interviewees would be used to I found it painful listening to them trying to navigate their way to something familiar in his accented ramblings. I struggled to find the question in his verbiage on many occasions, so no wonder some of these poor souls were completely adrift.
          Is it his accent, or his style you find painful?

          I personally find the former perfectly acceptable and understandable, I can appreciate the latter might annoy some immensely.

          OG

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          • oddoneout
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            • Nov 2015
            • 9308

            #50
            Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
            Is it his accent, or his style you find painful?

            I personally find the former perfectly acceptable and understandable, I can appreciate the latter might annoy some immensely.OG
            I don't have a problem with his accent, I do with his rambling sid rumpole approach to questions, and I do feel that the accent coupled with the 'all round the houses has he stopped now what exactly was the question' approach does make life difficult for some of his foreign guests. I don't think it's either kind or courteous to put them at such a disadvantage when another interviewer, by asking better phrased, more appropriate questions, would be able to get something more out of them than the umms, ers and general air of confusion.

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            • Old Grumpy
              Full Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 3652

              #51
              Thank you for your courteous reply. I can see where you are coming from.

              OG

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              • kernelbogey
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5807

                #52
                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                ... his rambling sid rumpole approach to questions...


                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                ...the accent coupled with the 'all round the houses has he stopped now what exactly was the question' approach does make life difficult for some of his foreign guests...
                I haven't listened to IT for ages - but I've always found SR's interviews with musicians whose first language is not English really disappointing.

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                • Old Grumpy
                  Full Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 3652

                  #53
                  Depends who's being interviewed - SR interviewing Sandrine Piau asked ( inter alia) if she was en-route. This was interpreted by his guest as an enquiry as to whether she was en-rut? The reaction almost made me drive off the road!

                  OG

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                  • kernelbogey
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5807

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
                    ...interpreted by his guest as an enquiry as to whether she was en-rut?...


                    The deer man.....

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30509

                      #55
                      We'll see how this goes down

                      My comment on Facebook: "This is the latest from Signor Dahvey. (NB they're just promo ads, NOT new R3 programmes). The problem (some) people have with how R3 can remain new/cutting edge (isn't it?) is that they don't want it to be new - they want it to grow old gracefully, like themselves (NB Kinch is already a jazz regular)."

                      But alternative views/arguments are always welcome …
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • doversoul1
                        Ex Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 7132

                        #56
                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        We'll see how this goes down

                        My comment on Facebook: "This is the latest from Signor Dahvey. (NB they're just promo ads, NOT new R3 programmes). The problem (some) people have with how R3 can remain new/cutting edge (isn't it?) is that they don't want it to be new - they want it to grow old gracefully, like themselves (NB Kinch is already a jazz regular)."

                        But alternative views/arguments are always welcome …
                        I suppose we shouldn’t make up our mind without seeing the film but reading the article, this seems miles better than just shifting already popular music from another station(s) into R3 expecting its listeners to follow like a herd of donkeys following a sack of carrots, and stay on after the sack is empty.

                        And this sounds as if Alan Davey has a very different views from his predecessor on the station’s listeners. He seems to trust us.
                        ...but I believe a lot of Radio 3 listeners are already curious about all sorts of music and will be happy that it is being given airtime,” said Davey.

                        I can’t say I’ll be a regular listener to these ‘cutting edge’ programmes but as long as they don’t swamp EMS, EML, and TTN, I am more than happy to see them on the schedule . You never know. Some young, new listeners may accidentally hear Monteverdi or Purcell and get hooked.

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26575

                          #57
                          Is the experimental side of things linked with this new series, which has crept unheralded into the R3 schedule? (I say unheralded - maybe it has been extensively trailed / discussed elsewhere here, and I've just missed it).


                          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                          I too find SR the problem on this programme, and as his is not exactly the kind of spoken English that some of his interviewees would be used to I found it painful listening to them trying to navigate their way to something familiar in ...
                          ... his rambling sid rumpole approach to questions, and I do feel that the accent coupled with the 'all round the houses has he stopped now what exactly was the question' approach does make life difficult for some of his foreign guests. I don't think it's either kind or courteous to put them at such a disadvantage when another interviewer, by asking better phrased, more appropriate questions, would be able to get something more out of them than the umms, ers and general air of confusion.
                          I do completely agree with this. That said, I do think that making sure there is no dead air in a live programme of this sort, with guests having to navigate between the interview desk and their instruments and music stands, is a very very difficult task of which few would be capable. Yes the florid 'give us a privileged insight into the minutiae of how you go about weaving your extraordinary terpsichorean magic in utterly fabulous fantastic and dare I say it completely unforgettable fashion' ramblings are absurd but at least they have the effect of filling the void - creating a warm bath of compliments to relax the nervous artistic contributors (I remember speaking with someone who had been a guest several times, a pianist, who described it as a 'scary' programme to have to speak / play on. Mind you, his first language wasn't English either, so perhaps the scary part was trying to hack through the forest of Rafferty verbiage)
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • Old Grumpy
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 3652

                            #58
                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            We'll see how this goes down

                            My comment on Facebook: "This is the latest from Signor Dahvey. (NB they're just promo ads, NOT new R3 programmes). The problem (some) people have with how R3 can remain new/cutting edge (isn't it?) is that they don't want it to be new - they want it to grow old gracefully, like themselves (NB Kinch is already a jazz regular)."

                            But alternative views/arguments are always welcome …
                            Should that not read innit, FF? (to be cutting edge)

                            OG

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30509

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
                              Should that not read innit, FF? (to be cutting edge)

                              OG
                              Yeah? I can be cutting edge if I wanna, only I don't wanna
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30509

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                Is the experimental side of things linked with this new series, which has crept unheralded into the R3 schedule? (I say unheralded - maybe it has been extensively trailed / discussed elsewhere here, and I've just missed it).

                                Looks like a rebranded 'Late Junction' Special each month - starting on R3's Big Day
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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