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  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26536

    #16
    Originally posted by Retune View Post

    'As well as a fantastic classical music playlist, there will be news reports and short features, including a fun new bite-size feature where Tom and guests unpack the answers to questions you've always wanted to ask: this week Tom asks why music gives us goosebumps.'
    Like so many things these days, this seems like parody….
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30292

      #17
      Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post

      Like so many things these days, this seems like parody….
      There may be a physiological reason why some music gives some people goosebumps. But since I've never really thought about it or experienced it I (for one) shan't be interested in hearing the answer.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Pulcinella
        Host
        • Feb 2014
        • 10941

        #18
        Originally posted by french frank View Post

        There may be a physiological reason why some music gives some people goosebumps. But since I've never really thought about it or experienced it I (for one) shan't be interested in hearing the answer.
        My physiology certainly allows me to experience goosebumps, but I suspect that hearing TS talk about it would act as a total suppressant.

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        • hmvman
          Full Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1104

          #19
          Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

          “Fantastic “ , “ unpack” , “bite -size “ . That press release was written by AI with the instruction to use as many cliches as possible.
          "Re-imagined" isn't in there - but I'm sure it'll be coming along soon...

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26536

            #20
            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            I suspect that hearing TS talk about it would act as a total suppressant.
            … among other physiological and psychological effects e.g. in my case, a sudden onset of Coprolalic Tourette Syndrome
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6783

              #21
              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

              My physiology certainly allows me to experience goosebumps, but I suspect that hearing TS talk about it would act as a total suppressant.
              Can’t see any point broadcasting anything that you can find on wiki or by a bit of googling and the “why does music give you goosebumps “ falls into that category. Still it means that feature can be knocked together in a couple of hours while BAL reviewers spend days listening to CD’s and making fine judgements.
              Pretty soon AI will be able to make radio features like the goosebump one but it’ll be some time before it can do anything that requires critical thinking.

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              • Pulcinella
                Host
                • Feb 2014
                • 10941

                #22
                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                Can’t see any point broadcasting anything that you can find on wiki or by a bit of googling and the “why does music give you goosebumps “ falls into that category. Still it means that feature can be knocked together in a couple of hours while BAL reviewers spend days listening to CD’s and making fine judgements.
                Pretty soon AI will be able to make radio features like the goosebump one but it’ll be some time before it can do anything that requires critical thinking.
                More opportunities for us to do our own BaLs and make our own often very enlightening comments and judgements.
                Thanks for yours on Butterfly, btw!

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                • edashtav
                  Full Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 3670

                  #23
                  Originally posted by DoctorT View Post
                  Just spent a lazy Saturday morning listening to Record review, as I have on most Saturdays since the 1970s. Alas no more, Sounds notwithstanding. An exemplary BaL today too
                  Yes indeed , Nigel Simeone was on terrific form. It is not easy to compare a miscellany of recordings of a two hour opera but 'our man' was exemplary. To move Record Review to the Saturday Siesta spot is deplorable, cultural vandalism.

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                  • Retune
                    Full Member
                    • Feb 2022
                    • 314

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                    The language we use is so revealing about the way we think isn’t it? I am not sure they can even be separated- but then I tend to think in words . Use of cliché so often means that very little real thought has taken place. That doesn’t matter if you are ordering a home delivery but it does when you’re talking about a complex culturally rich institution. It’s the effort to sound like a U.S. businessman that’s so dispiriting . The thing is he thinks it’s impressive.
                    This ought to be required reading for senior figures at the BBC:
                    "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

                    'A scrupulous writer, in every sentence that he writes, will ask himself at least four questions, thus: What am I trying to say? What words will express it? What image or idiom will make it clearer? Is this image fresh enough to have an effect? And he will probably ask himself two more: Could I put it more shortly? Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly? But you are not obliged to go to all this trouble. You can shirk it by simply throwing your mind open and letting the ready-made phrases come crowding in. They will construct your sentences for you – even think your thoughts for you, to a certain extent – and at need they will perform the important service of partially concealing your meaning even from yourself.'

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30292

                      #25
                      I've just thought to look up the headline story of last quarter's Rajar figures: the BBC continues to lose listeners to commercial radio. R3 certainly seems to be throwing everything into losing its 'stuffy elitist' image in favour of lean-back easy listening.

                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • kernelbogey
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5746

                        #26
                        Originally posted by hmvman View Post

                        "Re-imagined" isn't in there - but I'm sure it'll be coming along soon...
                        Also 'immersive' and 'mindful'.

                        The new agenda seems to be music as emotional therapy. Intellectual approaches are a no-no.

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                        • teamsaint
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25209

                          #27
                          Presumably the data shows ( or can be made to show) that people tend to listen to the show on BBC Sounds at a time of their choosing, according to their lifestyle and preferences, so really, anything can be on at any old time.
                          So although they could , for instance , sensibly move weekend breakfast back 2 hours to make it a much more fashionable Brunch,there isn’t much point.
                          Or something.
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • teamsaint
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 25209

                            #28
                            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post

                            Also 'immersive' and 'mindful'.

                            The new agenda seems to be music as emotional therapy. Intellectual approaches are a no-no.
                            Well said , KB. Head and Heart is usually where it is best.
                            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                            • Ein Heldenleben
                              Full Member
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 6783

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Retune View Post

                              This ought to be required reading for senior figures at the BBC:
                              "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

                              'A scrupulous writer, in every sentence that he writes, will ask himself at least four questions, thus: What am I trying to say? What words will express it? What image or idiom will make it clearer? Is this image fresh enough to have an effect? And he will probably ask himself two more: Could I put it more shortly? Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly? But you are not obliged to go to all this trouble. You can shirk it by simply throwing your mind open and letting the ready-made phrases come crowding in. They will construct your sentences for you – even think your thoughts for you, to a certain extent – and at need they will perform the important service of partially concealing your meaning even from yourself.'
                              Well I read it when I was sixteen . There are very many excellent writers at the BBC . Believe it or not even some of the management reports are well written - as they should be given that many of those managers are journalists. The problem is that US business speak has taken over.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30292

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                                There are very many excellent writers at the BBC . Believe it or not even some of the management reports are well written - as they should be given that many of those managers are journalists. The problem is that US business speak has taken over.
                                I assume that most press releases/publicity blurb is written by the press office. I've read some shockers where obviously the factual information is conveyed in draft form: "Now knock that into something readable and exciting."
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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