Proms 2024

[vinteuil]

Or do these things merely reveal a truth that was hidden from view......the Pentathol of our times?!

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... the one does not exclude the other : it may be that these things reveal the 'truth' (ie that people are basically rubbish) - but also that these things have a deleterious effect (making people more rubbish than they would otherwise be)

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[Roger Webb]

C-B used a Leica Rangefinder . An antique 30’s is about £1,000 plus , a more modern several thousand pounds. Then the film and processing costs. In the end it’s all about the photographer.

Supposedly much of the excellence is in the lens (Zeiss?). After Bailey had made his print he looked at it and said the photo booth must have a pretty good lens in it.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Supposedly much of the excellence is in the lens (Zeiss?). After Bailey had made his print he looked at it and said the photo booth must have a pretty good lens in it.

Leica make superb and very expensive lenses as well.

[Roger Webb]

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... the one does not exclude the other : it may be that these things reveal the 'truth' (ie that people are basically rubbish) - but also that these things have a deleterious effect (making people more rubbish than they would otherwise be)

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True! The history of human existence is littered with examples of the two-edged sword of 'useful' inventions.

[Master Jacques]

He was singing Les Iluminations by Britten also in copyright as his performance and that of the orchestra. Go back forty years and I had to wait while an orchestra voted on whether to let me film 30 secs for a TV news piece. The orchestra haven’t thought this policy through as they could well be open to a claim from publishers.

The orchestra director is inciting audiences to break the law. Whether or not that's the "spirit" of CBSO policy, her statement was potentially actionable in itself. Then there is the question of her supreme condescension towards "young people": the "young people" I know despise this sort of anti-social behaviour quite as much as their older friends do.

If nobody bats an eyelid when mobile phones have to be handed in before pop concerts, why expect different rules to apply at symphony concerts? Illegality aside, these people can't be giving any attention whatsoever to the music if they're holding up their phone, concentrating on keeping it still, centred and in focus.

They think they're watching TV of course, and don't think the performers are aware of them, or their odious behaviour. I'm reminded of one well-known actor (Gambon) on the opening night of a season at Scarborough's Theatre-in-the-Round. Taking his onstage corner place during the blackout at the start of the performance, he heard an audience member right next to him saying out loud to her neighbour: "Here, Daisy - it's that actor we don't like!"

[mopsus]

That’s not strictly true. Broadcasters and publishers spend a lot of time getting copyright material taken down from social media. They don’t go after individuals as it’s too time consuming . Many pop musicians confiscate mobile phones pre -performance mainly because they don’t like looking at a sea of phones.

My church puts webcasts of its services on Facebook and YouTube each week, and although all our music is properly licensed and performed live we are frequently served with copyright infringement notices which we then have to contest. Perhaps because we sound too like one particular copyright recording?

[LMcD]

The orchestra director is inciting audiences to break the law. Whether or not that's the "spirit" of CBSO policy, her statement was potentially actionable in itself. Then there is the question of her supreme condescension towards "young people": the "young people" I know despise this sort of anti-social behaviour quite as much as their older friends do.

If nobody bats an eyelid when mobile phones have to be handed in before pop concerts, why expect different rules to apply at symphony concerts? Illegality aside, these people can't be giving any attention whatsoever to the music if they're holding up their phone, concentrating on keeping it still, centred and in focus.

They think they're watching TV of course, and don't think the performers are aware of them, or their odious behaviour. I'm reminded of one well-known actor (Gambon) on the opening night of a season at Scarborough's Theatre-in-the-Round. Taking his onstage corner place during the blackout at the start of the performance, he heard an audience member right next to him saying out loud to her neighbour: "Here, Daisy - it's that actor we don't like!"

IMHO anybody who didn't like Michael Gambon would probably have benefitted from a bit of counselling.

[Roger Webb]

I'm reminded of one well-known actor (Gambon) on the opening night of a season at Scarborough's Theatre-in-the-Round. Taking his onstage corner place during the blackout at the start of the performance, he heard an audience member right next to him saying out loud to her neighbour: "Here, Daisy - it's that actor we don't like!"

Beecham once mounted the podium to conduct Delius's Mass of Life and overheard a lady in the front row ask her friend who the conductor was, after rifling through the programme her friend confidently replied, 'a chap called Nietzsche '.

[vinteuil]

My church puts webcasts of its services on Facebook and YouTube each week, and although all our music is properly licensed and performed live we are frequently served with copyright infringement notices which we then have to contest. Perhaps because we sound too like one particular copyright recording?

... I shall have to alert one of my step-sons, a lawyer with the PRS...

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[Ein Heldenleben]

The orchestra director is inciting audiences to break the law. Whether or not that's the "spirit" of CBSO policy, her statement was potentially actionable in itself. Then there is the question of her supreme condescension towards "young people": the "young people" I know despise this sort of anti-social behaviour quite as much as their older friends do.

If nobody bats an eyelid when mobile phones have to be handed in before pop concerts, why expect different rules to apply at symphony concerts? Illegality aside, these people can't be giving any attention whatsoever to the music if they're holding up their phone, concentrating on keeping it still, centred and in focus.

They think they're watching TV of course, and don't think the performers are aware of them, or their odious behaviour. I'm reminded of one well-known actor (Gambon) on the opening night of a season at Scarborough's Theatre-in-the-Round. Taking his onstage corner place during the blackout at the start of the performance, he heard an audience member right next to him saying out loud to her neighbour: "Here, Daisy - it's that actor we don't like!"

Inciting someone to break copyright law isn’t a criminal offence nor is breaking copyright law unless it’s a really major breach : for example running off thousands of DVD’s or an illegal money spinning stream .No one is going to get even sued in civil courts over this . The very worst is CBSO getting a cease and desist letter . It is a bit wierd them encouraging it with one hand whilst with the other paying performance fees to Britten and John williams publishers.
You’re absolutely right about what a distraction it must be.

[french frank]

You’re absolutely right about what a distraction it must be.

And it applies even if you're only sitting next to someone who's looking at their phone which you can see peripherally.

[Ein Heldenleben]

My church puts webcasts of its services on Facebook and YouTube each week, and although all our music is properly licensed and performed live we are frequently served with copyright infringement notices which we then have to contest. Perhaps because we sound too like one particular copyright recording?

Indeed . I understand there are now bots trawling through the thousands of hours of new footage to spot illegal music use. I wonder if they can pick up transposed music ?.

[Master Jacques]

Inciting someone to break copyright law isn’t a criminal offence nor is breaking copyright law unless it’s a really major breach : for example running off thousands of DVD’s or an illegal money spinning stream .No one is going to get even sued in civil courts over this . The very worst is CBSO getting a cease and desist letter . It is a bit wierd them encouraging it with one hand whilst with the other paying performance fees to Britten and John williams publishers.
You’re absolutely right about what a distraction it must be.

I agree that - irresponsible though what she said was - it did not constitute a criminal offence. But I maintain that it is actionable, if anyone affected by her incitement could show they had a case for either breach of copyright (which is an offence, major or minor, as it does not contain a "fair usage" clause - unless the extract is very short, and used for academic purposes, or something similar); or - in Bostridge's case - reputational damage, by contributing to a sub-standard performance.

I can see those "cease and desist" letters flying in now from Britten's publishers! As with the people looking after Shostakovich, they have eagle eyes when it comes to getting copyright breaches straight off YouTube and such places, which when hundreds of people are behaving badly at a concert is bound to happen.

CBSO's sunny laissez-faire will not go down well with the Musicians' Union either.

[french frank]

I suppose it has some relevance to this thread that a disappointed mother hoping to take her 10-year-old to a cancelled Co-op Live arena pop concert paid £500 for their tickets.

[LMcD]

I suppose it has some relevance to this thread that a disappointed mother hoping to take her 10-year-old to a cancelled Co-op Live arena pop concert paid £500 for their tickets.

Some of those hoping to attend the cancelled concerts have also paid for wasted journeys and non-refundable bookings for hotel rooms.