Proms 2024

[Ein Heldenleben]

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Previn on piano, the great David Finck on bass accompanying Sylvia McNair on 'Sure Thing - A Jerome Kern Songbook'. On Philips.[/QUOTE

Jeremy Siepmann in his excellent book The Piano describes Previn as outstanding with a “great reputation as a jazz player “ and “one the most brilliantly gifted and accomplished pianists of his age.”

[LMcD]

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Previn on piano, the great David Finck on bass accompanying Sylvia McNair on 'Sure Thing - A Jerome Kern Songbook'. On Philips.[/QUOTE

Jeremy Siepmann in his excellent book The Piano describes Previn as outstanding with a “great reputation as a jazz player “ and “one the most brilliantly gifted and accomplished pianists of his age.”

[teamsaint]

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On the evidence of the last 18 months the could stick the Tractor Boys in the Proms line up and they would knock it out of the park.
at least they would manage than the 60 mins that is often on offer …….

[LMcD]

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On the evidence of the last 18 months the could stick the Tractor Boys in the Proms line up and they would knock it out of the park.
at least they would manage than the 60 mins that is often on offer …….

Well, we have scored more goals than any other team in the 1st and 2nd tiers, and conceded more than some, so - if entertainment means goals....

[smittims]

Going back to alywin's point in #120, I wonder if young musicians who appear on R3 in interview are expected (told, briefed?) to say that they like playing non-classical as well as classical, and that it is part of the R3 drive to 'no-barriers inclusiveness' as if they thik potential listeners need to be reasured not to be afraid of classical music as it will last only a few minutes and then we'll have some tangos or ethno-pop.

[Quarky]

Classics/ Jazz?

Jean-Iyves Thibaudet - waltz for Debbie::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Qm_k2NdN0&list=OLAK5uy_kD830AGIJAoG-Cpkm2nxF3_O96JfntcfU&index=2

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[Ein Heldenleben]

[QUOTE=Quarky;n1305953]Classics/ Jazz?

Jean-Iyves Thibaudet - waltz for Debbie::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Qm_k2NdN0&list=OLAK5uy_kD830AGIJAoG-Cpkm2nxF3_O96JfntcfU&index=2

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have you heard Andrew Litton playing Oscar Peterson on Yuja Wang Art Tatum ?
For some reason Oscar and Art just have that extra element of bounce and swing in the left hand and their right hand scales and cascades more spring , definition and all round jazz feel. Oscar’s scales (that aren’t straightforward scales) are just extraordinary. They are so even they sound like glissandi . His solo album Tracks just has you open mouthed at how he sustains the left hand pulse with all those notes.
There are some who think Art was the greatest of them all in classical or Jazz - yes greater than Liszt and Horowitz. The latter literally couldn’t believe how he could improvise it all.

[french frank]

But there is a point about this: I don't think the BBC puts classical music on Radio 1 because (audiences being at the heart of everything they do) they're pretty sure R1 listeners don't want it. It's clear the same is thought of Radio 2 listeners where they've now swept away FNIMN. If they can show that reputable classical musicians like jazz and perform it well, or like pop music current or old pop music, they have established that 'people who like classical music also like jazz and pop so we can include all of it on Radio 3).

I genuinely respect jazz as an art form and think that jazz musicians are as artistically accomplished as classical musicians. But jazz doesn't interest me any more than modern pop music. I find it uncomfortable to listen to and I wouldn't listen to a 'classical' programme which included jazz/world/folk/pop. The fact that Radio 3 has hardly a 'classical' programme which doesn't include a mix of styles means I don't listen to the station any more.

Mr Jackson says that if people are switching off, he wants to know why ... It could be several things which Radio 3 has been doing; it won't help by doing the same things even more.

[LMcD]

But there is a point about this: I don't think the BBC puts classical music on Radio 1 because (audiences being at the heart of everything they do) they're pretty sure R1 listeners don't want it. It's clear the same is thought of Radio 2 listeners where they've now swept away FNIMN. If they can show that reputable classical musicians like jazz and perform it well, or like pop music current or old pop music, they have established that 'people who like classical music also like jazz and pop so we can include all of it on Radio 3).

I genuinely respect jazz as an art form and think that jazz musicians are as artistically accomplished as classical musicians. But jazz doesn't interest me any more than modern pop music. I find it uncomfortable to listen to and I wouldn't listen to a 'classical' programme which included jazz/world/folk/pop. The fact that Radio 3 has hardly a 'classical' programme which doesn't include a mix of styles means I don't listen to the station any more.

Mr Jackson says that if people are switching off, he wants to know why ... It could be several things which Radio 3 has been doing; it won't help by doing the same things even more.

He's actually admitted that people might be switching off?

[Ein Heldenleben]

But there is a point about this: I don't think the BBC puts classical music on Radio 1 because (audiences being at the heart of everything they do) they're pretty sure R1 listeners don't want it. It's clear the same is thought of Radio 2 listeners where they've now swept away FNIMN. If they can show that reputable classical musicians like jazz and perform it well, or like pop music current or old pop music, they have established that 'people who like classical music also like jazz and pop so we can include all of it on Radio 3).

I genuinely respect jazz as an art form and think that jazz musicians are as artistically accomplished as classical musicians. But jazz doesn't interest me any more than modern pop music. I find it uncomfortable to listen to and I wouldn't listen to a 'classical' programme which included jazz/world/folk/pop. The fact that Radio 3 has hardly a 'classical' programme which doesn't include a mix of styles means I don't listen to the station any more.

Mr Jackson says that if people are switching off, he wants to know why ... It could be several things which Radio 3 has been doing; it won't help by doing the same things even more.

Radio Three has had some jazz for as long as I can remember. The difference is that Radio 2 had more. What’s new is the frequent playing of pop music and Great American Songbook works with no improvisation in it - in my view a defining characteristic of “real” jazz. A good example was on Breakfast this morning - Julie Andrews singing The Merry Month Of May from Lerner and Loewe’s Camelot . It’s not a particularly good song and Julie sings it in that irritating , prissy enunciation she had them . What is it doing on Radio 3 ? Richard Burton’s singing on that original Broadway cast Album is so much more interesting . But the standout is the magnificent Robert Goulet singing the post interval show stopper If Ever I Would Leave You. I love Broadway musicals but what are they doing on Radio 3 ?

[LMcD]

Radio Three has had some jazz for as long as I can remember. The difference is that Radio 2 had more. What’s new is the frequent playing of pop music and Great American Songbook works with no improvisation in it - in my view a defining characteristic of “real” jazz. A good example was on Breakfast this morning - Julie Andrews singing The Merry Month Of May from Lerner and Loewe’s Camelot . It’s not a particularly good song and Julie sings it in that irritating , prissy enunciation she had them . What is it doing on Radio 3 ? Richard Burton’s singing on that original Broadway cast Album is so much more interesting . But the standout is the magnificent Robert Goulet singing the post interval show stopper If Ever I Would Leave You. I love Broadway musicals but what are they doing on Radio 3 ?

Well, they don't seem to have been welcome on Radio 2 for a long time. I suppose they COULD have a dedicated slot on Radio 3, but will probably continue instead to pop up in one or more of the mish-mashes that now account for much of Radio 3's daytime schedules.
I love much of the Great American Songbook and fortunately have lots of CDs (probably too many!) so I can enjoy Ella and the rest at a time of my choosing - but then, that's now increasingly true of a lot of other music, classical and non-classical, that I wish to listen to.

[french frank]

Radio Three has had some jazz for as long as I can remember.

Yes, and for my reasons given I was certainly going to have a dedicated jazz board here, and a world music board, because I felt they were both "what R3 does". It's not actually the kind of world music I'm interested in though.

The difference is that Radio 2 had more.

And as I gathered from comments here, much of it more on the lines of 'smooth' jazz or 'lounge jazz'. Analogous to playing the theme music from Brideshead revisited (Alan Titchmarsh's no 1 favourite piece of classical music) or Band of Brothers (Dan Walker's No 1).

I love Broadway musicals but what are they doing on Radio 3 ?

Radio 2 doesn't want them any more

[Serial_Apologist]

How do you characterise the strategy of 'If at first you don't succeed, just keep doing variations of the same thing until you do' ?

A cross between Enigma and the British first past the post electoral system.

[CallMePaul]

Some adverse comments were made on here about Das Lied von der Erde recently being split over several days on R3. I agree that this is a bonkers idea but was reminded that in 1972 I attended the Proms Boulez Parsifal which was spread over two nights - Tuesday and Thursday (standing, of course, I was a bit younger then). No one would go with me and it is the only Prom I have ever attended on my own.

I remember the Boulez/ Chéreau Ring being shown one act at a time over several weeks on BBC2 back in the days when classical music got a fair crack of the whip on both BBC2 and Channel 4. Later it was broadcast as Wagner intended over 4 evenings. Playing it in instalments was a great help to me in getting to know and like Wagner's music.

[LMcD]

A cross between Enigma and the British first past the post electoral system.

The excellent Benedict Cumberbatch film about Alan Turing was called 'The Imitation Game', and that's what BBC Radio 3 seems to be playing.