Prom 45: Eastman / G. Mahler / Sibelius, BBC SO, Barton / Stasevska

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  • bluestateprommer
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    • Nov 2010
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    Prom 45: Eastman / G. Mahler / Sibelius, BBC SO, Barton / Stasevska

    Saturday 24 August 2024
    19:30
    Royal Albert Hall

    Julius Eastman: Symphony No. 2 (‘The Faithful Friend: The Lover Friend’s Love for the Beloved’) (UK premiere)
    Gustav Mahler: Rückert-Lieder

    Interval

    Jean Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E flat major, op. 82

    Jamie Barton, mezzo-soprano
    BBC Symphony Orchestra
    Dalia Stasevska, conductor

    The BBC Symphony Orchestra and Principal Guest Conductor Dalia Stasevska perform a remarkable work by Julius Eastman alongside Sibelius’s triumphant Fifth Symphony and Gustav Mahler’s songs of love and loneliness, sung by the inimitable Jamie Barton





    Starts
    24-08-24 19:30
    Ends
    24-08-24 21:30
    Location
    Royal Albert Hall
  • edashtav
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    • Jul 2012
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    #2
    Julius Eastman: Symphony No. 2 (‘The Faithful Friend: The Lover Friend’s Love for the Beloved’) (UK premiere)
    I knew of Julius Eastman's unsettled life and his tragically early death after years poisoned by drug addiction. This was my first chance to hear one of his works.
    works.
    I didn't find it easy to comprehend on one hearing despite its known topic and an idiom that seemed in no way 'far out'. The piece revolved around a period of utter despair evoked by an unreleased battery of timpani. I felt, or was I pre-programmed by reading, that the music developed by organic digestion of what had gone before.

    Enough of superficial speculation. I must listen again.. meanwhile I salute warmly everyone at the BBC who made this first British performance possible.

    Gustav Mahler: 5 Rückert-Lied
    ​One of my favourite Mahler song cycles with possibly some connections in terms of its words with the mood of Eastman's second symphony. I thoroughly enjoyed this performance even those my mind was scrambled by hearing Eastman's disturbing work. Did I detect that Jamie used the envelope of vibrato to glide almost imperceptibly from landing on a bum note to something 'in tune'?

    Not a first half for casual listeners but required listening for those who are driven to find out more about the nature of music.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
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      • Apr 2014
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      #3
      So after Alice Coote’s unforgettable Kindertotenlieder we have to add Jamie Barton’s radiant Rückert Lieder to this year’s Proms Mahler Hall of Fame . The accuracy of her pitching is just extraordinary , the beauty across the whole range - and that wonderfully controlled vibrato. With Elder’s Mahler 5 and the NYO Mahler 1 it’s been a good season for lovers of his music and there’s Rattle’s performance of the Sixth still to come. I suspect that will be one of the great nights in the RAH.

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      • Ein Heldenleben
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        • Apr 2014
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        #4
        Originally posted by edashtav View Post
        Julius Eastman: Symphony No. 2 (‘The Faithful Friend: The Lover Friend’s Love for the Beloved’) (UK premiere)
        I knew of Julius Eastman's unsettled life and his tragically early death after years poisoned by drug addiction. This was my first chance to hear one of his works.
        works.
        I didn't find it easy to comprehend on one hearing despite its known topic and an idiom that seemed in no way 'far out'. The piece revolved around a period of utter despair evoked by an unreleased battery of timpani. I felt, or was I pre-programmed by reading, that the music developed by organic digestion of what had gone before.

        Enough of superficial speculation. I must listen again.. meanwhile I salute warmly everyone at the BBC who made this first British performance possible.

        Gustav Mahler: 5 Rückert-Lied
        One of my favourite Mahler song cycles with possibly some connections in terms of its words with the mood of Eastman's second symphony. I thoroughly enjoyed this performance even those my mind was scrambled by hearing Eastman's disturbing work. Did I detect that Jamie used the envelope of vibrato to glide almost imperceptibly from landing on a bum note to something 'in tune'?

        Not a first half for casual listeners but required listening for those who are driven to find out more about the nature of music.
        As an armchair expert in swooping Sopranos after a lifetime at Covent Garden I would say emphatically no. She can really pitch a note.

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
          • 10877

          #5
          Sadly, no comparison for this JB with the other JB pairing, that of Baker and Barbiriolli, for us.
          :ssdface:

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          • bluestateprommer
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3007

            #6
            Very strong first half to this Prom, in its very restrained way, particularly the Julius Eastman work, with its large forces used very sparingly. Some background reading from the NYT circa 2018 about the Eastman work:





            I might have the rather dubious privilege of being the only Forumite ever to have heard this work live before, as I was at Alice Tully Hall in NYC at the November 2018 performance of the Eastman. The array of timpani on the Alice Tully Hall stage was quite the sight. Dalia S. and the BBC SO did the work proud, in its UK premiere. Terrific work from Jamie Barton with Mahler's Rückert-Lieder, IMVHO, just now. Excellent interval discussion now between Daniel Grimley and Ian Skelly.
            Last edited by bluestateprommer; 24-08-24, 19:30.

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            • Ein Heldenleben
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              • Apr 2014
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              #7
              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              Sadly, no comparison for this JB with the other JB pairing, that of Baker and Barbiriolli, for us.
              :ssdface:
              Not sure you can fairly compare a live performance with a recorded one particularly an absolute classic like that. That was then , this is now . Even Baker doesn’t match Ferrier in Um Mitternacht. What a shame KF never did the whole cycle on disc. Aren’t we lucky to have all of them?

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              • edashtav
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                • Jul 2012
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                #8
                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                As an armchair expert in swooping Sopranos after a lifetime at Covent Garden I would say emphatically no. She can really pitch a note.
                Thanks for that assurance!

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                • Ein Heldenleben
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by edashtav View Post

                  Thanks for that assurance!
                  Re Sibelius 5 is the bassoon supposed to be that loud ?

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                  • Pulcinella
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                    • Feb 2014
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                    Not sure you can fairly compare a live performance with a recorded one particularly an absolute classic like that. That was then , this is now . Even Baker doesn’t match Ferrier in Um Mitternacht. What a shame KF never did the whole cycle on disc. Aren’t we lucky to have all of them?
                    Indeed we are.
                    But I've heard Baker live (concert in Nottingham) in the Lieder eines....., and she didn't need the luxury of repeated takes in a studio to impress; she was phenomenal.

                    I also think though (as others frequently comment) that personal reactions to voices are many and various: Barton's simply does not particularly appeal (to me). It didn't when she won at Cardiff, either.

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
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                      • Apr 2014
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                      Indeed we are.
                      But I've heard Baker live (concert in Nottingham) in the Lieder eines....., and she didn't need the luxury of repeated takes in a studio to impress; she was phenomenal.

                      I also think though (as others frequently comment) that personal reactions to voices are many and various: Barton's simply does not particularly appeal (to me). It didn't when she won at Cardiff, either.
                      Yes she was a once in a generation talent.

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
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                        • Apr 2014
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                        #12
                        That Sib 5 was tremendous . Stasevska has this way of getting new orchestral textures and sounds out of Sibelius that’s very compelling. Using portamenti in the strings for example in the last movement, I wonder if she has the luxury of extra rehearsal time, The work done on the string sound indicates a lot of prep . As for the brass and those magnificent trumpets ..wonderful.

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                        • edashtav
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                          • Jul 2012
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                          #13
                          Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E flat major, op. 82
                          BBC Symphony Orchestra
                          Dalia Stasevska, conductor

                          I first encountered Sibelius's 5th at an outdoor concert, sat on the grass at the Kenwood House Bowl in North Hampstead during the summer of 1961. It was magical experience with added birds swooping low over the lake between audience and Orchestra. I didn't know that swans connected Jean to his fifth symphony.

                          Tonight's fine concert brought back so many memories and added new insights into Sibelius's work.
                          The power of music.




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                          • edashtav
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                            Re Sibelius 5 is the bassoon supposed to be that loud ?
                            I don't think so but ... he got a mention.
                            Deserved or undeserved?


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                            • LMcD
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                              That Sib 5 was tremendous . Stasevska has this way of getting new orchestral textures and sounds out of Sibelius that’s very compelling. Using portamenti in the strings for example in the last movement, I wonder if she has the luxury of extra rehearsal time, The work done on the string sound indicates a lot of prep . As for the brass and those magnificent trumpets ..wonderful.
                              Encouraged by your comments, I've just listened to this on Sounds - a remarkable performance (in a good way).

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