Originally posted by Pulcinella
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Prom 15: Anna Clyne / Messiaen, BBC Phil / The Swingles, Osborne / Millar / Collon
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostWatched and listened on tv last night: something was missing from Turangalila, which I am finding hard to put into words, but I think the closest I can come is to say that - notwithstanding the brilliance of all the musicians - Collon was unable to bring out fully the piece's eroticism.
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Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
Same here Petrushka! First half was some choral music sung by the BBC Northern Singers conducted by Stephen Wilkinson. The Turangalila was conducted by Gilbert Amy with Tristan Murail on Ondes, Loriod on piano and the orchestra had one Peter Donohoe as a member of the percussion artillery. I do remember Messiaen being called to the stage after the performance, Free Trade Hall.
I went backstage after the concert, met Messiaen and Loriod and they signed my programme which I still have.
Apparently, makropulos went one better and got Messiaen to sign the score of Turangalila!"The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
Sorry, I don't know, not being a fan of HvK.
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Herbert was someties photographed conducting with his eyes closed , which prompted the journalistic fiction that he always did so. It belongs with tales that the English landscape north of Watford is all slag heaps and Coronation Street, or that 'trainspotters' always wear blue anoraks and brown trousers and don't have girl friends. As Eliot said 'humankind cannot bear very much reality'.
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Originally posted by smittims View PostHerbert was someties photographed conducting with his eyes closed , which prompted the journalistic fiction that he always did so. It belongs with tales that the English landscape north of Watford is all slag heaps and Coronation Street, or that 'trainspotters' always wear blue anoraks and brown trousers and don't have girl friends. As Eliot said 'humankind cannot bear very much reality'.
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Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
Also there, though I obviously didn't know at the time, was our fellow Forum member, makropulos.
I went backstage after the concert, met Messiaen and Loriod and they signed my programme which I still have.
Apparently, makropulos went one better and got Messiaen to sign the score of Turangalila!
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I think I'm answering a Personal Message but I'm flummoxed as I can't find PM's on the new For3 system and I've forgotten the pseudonym of my correspondent but suspect in real life he's Henry.
THE BURDEN OF WHAT HE PENNED WAS:
He enjoyed my posts: THANKS!
In a earlier Turangalila thread, I had referred to Turangalila as a 'Period Piece'. What did I mean?
This is difficult for me to answer as my life changed at the end of 2023 when I had a long period in hospital and suffered much delirium.
My memories of before hospital are inexact.
Historically, I encountered Messaien's LOVE PERIOD whilst at the University of Birmingham.
1. I bought and played often an LP of Messaien's Cinq Rechants.
2. I attended a thrilling concert at the BarbeR Institute by Noelle Barker SOPRANO and Robert Sherlaw JOHNSON PIANO which included Messaien's extended HARAWI song cycle. I became obsessed by the piece and bought a copy on behalf of a Public Library. I studied this vocal score, intently.
3. Before leaving Uni I bought Turangalila on, I think, a 2 record album. I listened to it increasingly critically as I found some of the music too orgiastic and schmalzy for my virginal tastes.
To sum up: in a period of three years I had fallen seriously in love with the three pillars of Messaien's LOVE period and had then partly resiled from being bessotted, if that is a word, feeling that Messaien had gone over the top in his LOVE symphony creating something analogous to the similar lack of taste shown by Charles Koechlin in his 7 Stars Symphony which I owned on cassette.
Thus , just as Picasso had a Blue period , Messaien had a T&I, pseudo- Porn., LOVE ❤ period.
I think that's what I thought, then...
best wishes,
ED
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Originally posted by smittims View PostHerbert was someties photographed conducting with his eyes closed , which prompted the journalistic fiction that he always did so. It belongs with tales that the English landscape north of Watford is all slag heaps and Coronation Street, or that 'trainspotters' always wear blue anoraks and brown trousers and don't have girl friends. As Eliot said 'humankind cannot bear very much reality'.
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Originally posted by Petrushka View PostI went backstage after the concert, met Messiaen and Loriod and they signed my programme which I still have.
Apparently, makropulos went one better and got Messiaen to sign the score of Turangalila!
I was able to chat with him and he signed a score of L’Ascension for an organist friend of mine - and a CD of same, for me…
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View PostI thought the Messiaen quite wooden/leaden in places, especially at the start: not much joy."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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