Prom 47: Ligeti / Mozart, Les Siècles, Faust / Melnikov / Roth, Sun. 20 Aug. 2023

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  • bluestateprommer
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    • Nov 2010
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    Prom 47: Ligeti / Mozart, Les Siècles, Faust / Melnikov / Roth, Sun. 20 Aug. 2023

    Sunday 20 August 2023
    19:30
    Royal Albert Hall

    Ligeti:
    (a) Concert Românesc
    (b) Violin Concerto
    [Encore: György Kurtág​: Signs, Games, and Messages - 'Doloroso' (first performance at the Proms)]

    interval

    Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart:
    (a) Piano Concerto No. 23 in A major, K. 488
    (b) Symphony No. 41 in C major ('Jupiter'), K. 551

    Isabelle Faust, violin
    Alexander Melnikov, fortepiano (Paul McNulty modern reproduction after Conrad Graf, FF-f4, circa 1819, c/o Wigmore Hall)​

    Les Siècles
    François-Xavier Roth, conductor​

    François-Xavier Roth’s orchestra Les Siècles presents Ligeti’s Concert Românesc and Violin Concerto alongside two late works by Mozart, the Piano Concerto No. 23 and the ‘Jupiter’ Symphony.


    Starts
    20-08-23 19:30
    Ends
    20-08-23 21:30
    Last edited by bluestateprommer; 20-08-23, 20:28. Reason: (a) Isabelle Faust encore; (b) info on fortepiano
  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
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    #2
    Sunday 20th August, 19.30:

    "Celebrating its 20th anniversary this year, François-Xavier Roth’s award-winning orchestra Les Siècles presents music from sonic pioneer György Ligeti alongside two late works by Mozart – pieces separated by two centuries, but united by the spirit of revolution.

    "Unperformed until 1971, Ligeti’s vibrant Concert Românesc (‘Romanian Concerto’) is a light-footed celebration of Romanian folk music – real and invented. His Violin Concerto – performed here with German soloist Isabelle Faust – is one of the most original of any age, while Mozart’s final symphony, the ‘Jupiter’, with its astonishing finale, is the last word on the genre from a master innovator. Russian pianist Alexander Melnikov is the soloist in Mozart’s Piano Concerto No. 23." [RAH website]
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    • CallMePaul
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      • Jan 2014
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      #3
      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Sunday 20th August, 19.30:

      "Celebrating its 20th anniversary this year, François-Xavier Roth’s award-winning orchestra Les Siècles presents music from sonic pioneer György Ligeti alongside two late works by Mozart – pieces separated by two centuries, but united by the spirit of revolution.

      "Unperformed until 1971, Ligeti’s vibrant Concert Românesc (‘Romanian Concerto’) is a light-footed celebration of Romanian folk music – real and invented. His Violin Concerto – performed here with German soloist Isabelle Faust – is one of the most original of any age, while Mozart’s final symphony, the ‘Jupiter’, with its astonishing finale, is the last word on the genre from a master innovator. Russian pianist Alexander Melnikov is the soloist in Mozart’s Piano Concerto No. 23." [RAH website]
      Any info on the instrument that Melnikov will be playing? Given that he is playing with Les Siècles, I assume that it will be a period instrument or modern copy.

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      • bluestateprommer
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        Perhaps a slightly straight-laced reading of Ligeti's Concert Românesc​ from Les Siècles and F-XR, but still good clean fun, as always. Andrew McG. made a slight, but understandable error when he mentioned this performance of Concert Românesc​ as its Proms premiere, because the work got its Proms premiere as an encore back in 2006. So tonight's performance was the work's first scheduled performance at The Proms, so AMcG got it half-right that way.

        Haven't heard a thing about the instrument that Alexander M. will use in the 2nd half, per CMP's question, so we shall see.
        Last edited by bluestateprommer; 20-08-23, 19:00.

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        • edashtav
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          • Jul 2012
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          #5
          Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
          Perhaps a slightly straight-laced reading of Ligeti's Concert Românesc​ from Les Siècles and F-XR, but still good clean fun, as always. Andrew McG. made a slightly understandable error when he mentioned this performance of Concert Românesc​ as its Proms premiere, because the work got its Proms premiere as an encore back in 2006. So tonight's performance was the work's first scheduled performance at The Proms, so AMcG got it half-right that way.

          Haven't heard a thing about the instrument that Alexander M. will use in the 2nd half, per CMP's question, so we shall see.
          Yes, it was Concert Românesc cool from Les Siècles this evening which was an unexpected twist! The piece owes much to Bela Bartok but even more to Georges Enescu. It’s fun and harmless but today’s perfirmance would have benefited from more brio and ‘devil’.

          However, I feel the well- filled programmme was well balanced.

          i’m enjoying Ligeti’s Violin Concerto with Isabel Faust in excellent form. The arena enjoyed the ocarinas. The work is replete with quotations and evocations: I was delighted by the very active insectarium. A great work played with affection and wit.

          How apt to use Kurtag`s super sadness, to use Virgil Thomson’s term, dolorosa within the octave of the Prom performance of ‘Fin de Partie’.’
          Last edited by edashtav; 20-08-23, 20:31.

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          • edashtav
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            • Jul 2012
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            #6
            Why did I enjoy Alexander Melnikov’s Mozart on a ‘loud’ fortepiano? His playing was bright and breezy using both wit and rubato. He was especially good at projecting rapid runs. Decoration was used unsparingly. Accents were emphatic and his interplay with the woodwind section in the slow movement was lovely. It wasn’t HIPP but was HIPP aware. I loved the BBC engineers’ good balance between soloist and orchestra and chortled as the bassoon showed how fast (s)he could articulate in the playful finale.

            A sparkling, fresh performance!
            Gosh was the conductor worrying about overtime rates after 10pm when he started the Jupiter before the audience’s applause had died down? Plenty of drive and propulsion but no lack of charming phrasing, either. I’m thoroughly enjoying it all.

            A proper length concert delivered with panache.

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            • LHC
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              • Jan 2011
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              #7
              Originally posted by edashtav View Post
              Why did I enjoy Alexander Melnikov’s Mozart on a ‘loud’ fortepiano? His playing was bright and breezy using both wit and rubato. He was especially good at projecting rapid runs. Decoration was used unsparingly. Accents were eomphatic and his interplay with the woodwind section in the slow movement was lovely. It wasn’t HIPP but was HIPP aware. I loved the BBC engineers’ good balance between soloist and orchestra and chortled as the bassoon showed how fast (s)he could articulate in the playful finale.

              A sparkling, fresh performance!
              Gosh was the conductor worrying about overtime rates after 10pm when he started the Jupiter before the audience’s applause had died down? Plenty of drive and propulsion but no lack of charming phrasing, either. I’m thoroughly enjoying it all.

              A proper length concert delivered with panache.
              Melnikov's fortepiano wasn't at all 'loud' in the Hall and was often hard to hear when the orchestra was playing, so I wonder if he had some help from the BBC engineers in balancing his playing with that of the orchestra
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              • ostuni
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                The fortepiano was the Wigmore's Paul McNulty copy of an 1819 Conrad Graf: rather late for Mozart, but apparently Melnikov wanted something with a bit more volume, given the space he had to fill (info from a tweet by AMcG).

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                • Bryn
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ostuni View Post
                  The fortepiano was the Wigmore's Paul McNulty copy of an 1819 Conrad Graf: rather late for Mozart, but apparently Melnikov wanted something with a bit more volume, given the space he had to fill (info from a tweet by AMcG).
                  I left Twitter when Musk took it over but I either heard or read that information re the Wigmore McNulty instrument elsewhere. Let's think of it as an instrument that Beethoven might have heard the work played on.

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                  • silvestrione
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                    • Jan 2011
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post

                    I left Twitter when Musk took it over but I either heard or read that information re the Wigmore McNulty instrument elsewhere. Let's think of it as an instrument that Beethoven might have heard the work played on.
                    Come on, keep up, it was announced as such both before and after the performance!
                    (ah, but perhaps not the Wigmore Hall bit)

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                    • ARBurton
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                      • May 2011
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by edashtav View Post
                      Why did I enjoy Alexander Melnikov’s Mozart on a ‘loud’ fortepiano? His playing was bright and breezy using both wit and rubato. He was especially good at projecting rapid runs. Decoration was used unsparingly. Accents were emphatic and his interplay with the woodwind section in the slow movement was lovely. It wasn’t HIPP but was HIPP aware. I loved the BBC engineers’ good balance between soloist and orchestra and chortled as the bassoon showed how fast (s)he could articulate in the playful finale.

                      A sparkling, fresh performance!
                      Gosh was the conductor worrying about overtime rates after 10pm when he started the Jupiter before the audience’s applause had died down? Plenty of drive and propulsion but no lack of charming phrasing, either. I’m thoroughly enjoying it all.

                      A proper length concert delivered with panache.
                      "A proper length concern" indeed - but too long for BBC Sounds since at the moment the programme ends before the end of the programme!

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                      • edashtav
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                        • Jul 2012
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ARBurton View Post

                        "A proper length concern" indeed - but too long for BBC Sounds since at the moment the programme ends before the end of the programme!
                        Golly! Oh for a human to be at the controls!

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                        • Bryn
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                          • Mar 2007
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ARBurton View Post

                          "A proper length concern" indeed - but too long for BBC Sounds since at the moment the programme ends before the end of the programme!
                          All sorted now, though.

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                          • Retune
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                            • Feb 2022
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by edashtav View Post
                            A sparkling, fresh performance!
                            Gosh was the conductor worrying about overtime rates after 10pm when he started the Jupiter before the audience’s applause had died down? Plenty of drive and propulsion but no lack of charming phrasing, either. I’m thoroughly enjoying it all.
                            I was sitting in the Choir looking straight at Roth and loved that moment. It was of course entirely deliberate, and nicely propelled the orchestra into the first movement, the start of a great performance.

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                            • edashtav
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                              • Jul 2012
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post

                              All sorted now, though.
                              I hope the Beeb hasn’t attached Sullivan’s TheLast Chord to cover the missing Mozart coda.

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