Is tripartisanship over the SNP's bid to retain the £ bullying?

[Flosshilde]

YES banks charge large amounts of money for doing this
and for every transaction, so if you get paid in lots of small amounts (if you do a tour with lots of small gigs for example) you can end up paying a separate fee for each amount.

That's one reason why banks make so much money :-(

Yes, I can see that that would be frustrating, but I think the havoc caused by conforming to the rules for joining the euro probasbly have a worse impact for rather more people

[MrGongGong]

If you don't know how to run a business, I suppose.

aaah I see, you really do want everyone to do things in the same way and to treat everything as driven by a desire to amass more money and be more "efficient". Shame really, I rather like diversity myself and the idea of people having the freedom to have lots of small enterprises, you know like Cafe OTO, HCMF etc

Yes, I can see that that would be frustrating, but I think the havoc caused by conforming to the rules for joining the euro probasbly have a worse impact for rather more people

All depends on which people
but I guess you are right
who really gives a shit about
Young people
or
Music

anyway ?

But returning to Scotland
I do wonder what the effect on Scotlands thriving music culture would be of these things ?
This is likely to be most felt in the trad music world I think

[Beef Oven!]

aaah I see, you really do want everyone to do things in the same way and to treat everything as driven by a desire to amass more money and be more "efficient". Shame really, I rather like diversity myself and the idea of people having the freedom to have lots of small enterprises, you know like Cafe OTO, HCMF etc

Straw-man argument.

Whether you are Cafe OTO or BP, you have to manage your overheads. You don't need a European Uber-government with a federal-currency to facilitate a few amateurs playing obscure, esoteric music.

As I (and Flosshilde) have said, it cannot be reasonable to consign so many people to misery, just so you can carry on with your hobby.

[MrGongGong]

Straw-man argument.

Whether you are Cafe OTO or BP, you have to manage your overheads. You don't need a European Uber-government with a federal-currency to facilitate a few amateurs playing obscure, esoteric music.

As I (and Flosshilde) have said, it cannot be reasonable to consign so many people to misery, just so you can carry on with your hobby.

HOBBY !!!!!!

You trying to wind me up again ;-)

I'm not suggesting that AT ALL
Yes you do need to 'manage your overheads' (i would usually go for a matched pair of 414s) and I don't even thing that you need more government zzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't think it's a "Straw Man" though
how many uk businesses are small ?
The good folks of Arbroath who sell their smokies by post might want to minimise the expense.

My point is that ALL politician don't give a toss for the very things on the edge that are representative of uniqueness and culture whether they be Cheese, Beer, Music or Engineering.

[Flosshilde]

All depends on which people
but I guess you are right
who really gives a shit about
Young people

Young people are among those who would be affected by the conditions imposed for joining the euro.

But returning to Scotland
I do wonder what the effect on Scotlands thriving music culture would be of these things ?
This is likely to be most felt in the trad music world I think

One of the things that would make me hesitate over voting 'yes' is the thought that we might lose the BBCSSO - the SNP is not particularly keen on 'elitist' music, & would probably balk at the idea of supporting two symphony orchestras. I think traditional music would actually be safer.

[aeolium]

I don't think it's a "Straw Man" though
how many uk businesses are small ?
The good folks of Arbroath who sell their smokies by post might want to minimise the expense.

And those savings are worth this?:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/tough-austerity-measures-in-greece-leave-nearly-a-million-people-with-no-access-to-healthcare-leading-to-soaring-infant-mortality-hiv-infection-and-suicide-9142274.html

(these policies are not the choice of the Greek government but required by the international troika including the EU partly to protect the integrity of the eurozone as well as the banks of Northern Europe). I'm always surprised at those who would slate such policies when employed by the UK government here but are silent about them when deployed - far more savagely - by EU institutions. Of course it's the poor, the sick and the vulnerable who suffer in both cases.

[MrGongGong]

One of the things that would make me hesitate over voting 'yes' is the thought that we might lose the BBCSSO - the SNP is not particularly keen on 'elitist' music, & would probably balk at the idea of supporting two symphony orchestras. I think traditional music would actually be safer.

Interesting
I'm sure the support for independence amongst trad music is very strong as that music is built around ideas of history etc
but i'm not sure that the situation for the young people (like the winners of this years R2 folk awards) being able to travel and make a living playing will be better unless the government decides that this is the image that it wants to project.

What does Max think ?

And those savings are worth this?

I don't know
I don't know if what we are presented as options are really what the options are?
and I don't trust those presenting us with these YES/NO questions to be honest, truthful and ethical
and I don't trust those who say they do know what the options are

BUT

I do trust many other things

[Beef Oven!]

HOBBY !!!!!!

You trying to wind me up again ;-)

I'm not suggesting that AT ALL
Yes you do need to 'manage your overheads' (i would usually go for a matched pair of 414s) and I don't even thing that you need more government zzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't think it's a "Straw Man" though
how many uk businesses are small ?
The good folks of Arbroath who sell their smokies by post might want to minimise the expense.

My point is that ALL politician don't give a toss for the very things on the edge that are representative of uniqueness and culture whether they be Cheese, Beer, Music or Engineering.

Please accept my apology for the HOBBY reference, but I couldn't resist it!

I think you do present a straw-man argument, in that I never said that I "...really do want everyone to do things in the same way and to treat everything as driven by a desire to amass more money and be more "efficient".

What I said was that all businesses must manage their overheads. You need to know how to run a business. The basics. The rest of it is up to you! And you don't need a European Political Union to do it for you.

[MrGongGong]

What I said was that all businesses must manage their overheads. You need to know how to run a business. The basics. The rest of it is up to you! And you don't need a European Political Union to do it for you.

Indeed
but for some thing what you don't need are banks that charge disproportionate amounts of money for simple currency transfer which prevents you from running your business.

I don't think (as with music) that what people call "the basics" are always the same.
for example

Success and expansion aren't necessarily the same thing

and so on

[french frank]

What I said was that all businesses must manage their overheads. You need to know how to run a business. The basics. The rest of it is up to you! And you don't need a European Political Union to do it for you.

I've lost track as to how the discussion moved from the Scottish independence referendum to a European Political Union; though that is also being debated.

[MrGongGong]

I've lost track as to how the discussion moved from the Scottish independence referendum to a European Political Union; though that is also being debated.

I guess Scotlands relationship with the EU is a big issue in the referendum
given the recent statements from various other EU countries about what might happen if the Scottish people vote YES it would seem to be relevant, though some folks seem to like to lay all the woes of the world at the feet of the EU ;-)

[aeolium]

The issue of Scotland's relationship with the EU is clearly a discussion point in the referendum campaign, particularly in the light of statements that suggest Scotland would not be allowed to remain in the EU if it voted for independence. It's also relevant to the debate about the currency though and one of the points I raised was to mention possible problems with a sterling currency union - currently the YES campaign's preferred option - even if it were to be acceptable to the Westminster government; and relating that to the problems caused by creating a European currency union without any kind of political union.

[french frank]

I was quoting Beefy's comment: "What I said was that all businesses must manage their overheads. You need to know how to run a business. The basics. The rest of it is up to you! And you don't need a European Political Union to do it for you. "

That is about the the pros/cons of a European Political Union. I didn't wish my post to be considered uniquely off topic in suggesting that such a union is a debating point, not a reality.

The nature of Scotland's own relationship with the EU is indeed central to the referendum debate: the political union in a general sense is not.

[MrGongGong]

The nature of Scotland's own relationship with the EU is indeed central to the referendum debate: the political union in a general sense is not.

Indeed
we all have our pet hates ;-)
did I ever mention that piece by Elgar ? ;-)

[french frank]

)
did I ever mention that piece by Elgar ? ;-)

No? I don't believe so. :-)

But you have just reminded me: I meant to unearth James Hamilton Paterson's novel Gerontius. I remember enjoying it a lot. He tells me :whistle: it's to be reissued.