Is tripartisanship over the SNP's bid to retain the £ bullying?

[MrGongGong]

And also the settlement of the West Lothian question.

BINGO :wink:

[teamsaint]

When Czechoslovakia broke up the Czech Republic and Slovakia adopted separate versions of the koruna, initially at par. Eventually it was Slovakia that joined the euro and the Czechs continue with the koruna. If as Floss says, it's the 'gut feeling, the emotional reason, that matters', it's difficult to see why the Scots (the smaller country, like Slovakia, only moreso) want to retain the pound.

I would have thought that it was possible to reconcile that "gut feeling ," long term vote for independence with a short term pragmatic acceptance of a currency union.
Compromises , as yes voters might see it, are inevitable.

[french frank]

I would have thought that it was possible to reconcile that "gut feeling ," long term vote for independence with a short term pragmatic acceptance of a currency union.

As in "Best of both worlds"? Though I'm sure HM is relieved to hear they don't want to depose her.

[MrGongGong]

As in "Best of both worlds"? Though I'm sure HM is relieved to hear they don't want to depose her.

Why have a foreign queen ?
Hardly "independence"

What's wrong with real independence ?
I find it really odd that the so called Scottish Nationalists are happy to have their currency controlled by the Bank of England
and seem to want to keep the queen ?

[teamsaint]

As in "Best of both worlds"? Though I'm sure HM is relieved to hear they don't want to depose her.

Why wouldnt they want the best of both worlds? They aren't daft.

As for HM......oh no, lets not go there, it would be balmoral.........

[MrGongGong]

Why wouldnt they want the best of both worlds? They aren't daft.

As for HM......oh no, lets not go there, it would be balmoral.........

aaah yes the
"get divorced but come round on a Friday for sex and to get your washing done" strategy

Pick-n-mix the bits you like without having to clean the bathroom

[teamsaint]

aaah yes the
"get divorced but come round on a Friday for sex and to get your washing done" strategy

Pick-n-mix the bits you like without having to clean the bathroom

So the option should be a good honest " complete independence in every conceivable way as long as it accords with some English Peoples view of what that means", or " as you were"?

Perhaps the Yes people live in the real world where they want to get legal independence, and may have to compromise in some ares for electoral and pragmatic reasons.
Seems a reasonable approach to me, if Independence is what you want. Its not dishonest, it might get them what they want.

[MrGongGong]

So the option should be a good honest " complete independence in every conceivable way as long as it accords with some English Peoples view of what that means", or " as you were"?

Perhaps the Yes people live in the real world where they want to get legal independence, and may have to compromise in some ares for electoral and pragmatic reasons.
Seems a reasonable approach to me, if Independence is what you want. Its not dishonest, it might get them what they want.

Spare us the "English are all baddies" nonsense
What seems to be on offer is just more of that
rather than "independence" .........

[Flosshilde]

Why have a foreign queen ?
Hardly "independence"

Well, she's actually more of a 'foreign queen' for England. The Act of Settlement of 1701 stipulated that succession to the UK throne went to Princess Sophia, Electress of Hanover, the granddaughter of James I & VI, the King of Scotland who succeeded Elizabeth the Ist of England & therebye united the two kingdoms under one crown, and her descendants. So the present Queen of England is the closest (Protestant) descendant of the Scottish monarchy, & thus entitltled, post independence, to be Queen of Scotland.


Not that I want her.

(In Scotland she would/should be styled 'Elizabeth I')

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Well, she's actually more of a 'foreign queen' for England. The Act of Settlement of 1701 stipulated that succession to the UK throne went to Princess Sophia, Electress of Hanover, the granddaughter of James I & VI, the King of Scotland who succeeded Elizabeth the Ist of England & therebye united the two kingdoms under one crown, and her descendants. So the present Queen of England is the closest (Protestant) descendant of the Scottish monarchy, & thus entitltled, post independence, to be Queen of Scotland.


Not that I want her.

(In Scotland she would/should be styled 'Elizabeth I')

There hasn't been an English monarch for quite some time - only Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Welsh, Scottish, and now Germans. But we English always seem to make assumptions.

[Flosshilde]

I should also have pointed out that if Scotland separates from the UK politically, it will still be part of the United Kingdom if it retains the present monarch & her descendants.

Not that that has anything to do with the pound - the Queen doesn't even appear on Scottish banknotes.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I should also have pointed out that if Scotland separates from the UK politically, it will still be part of the United Kingdom if it retains the present monarch & her descendants.

Does that mean Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. are part of the UK?

[french frank]

Not that that has anything to do with the pound - the Queen doesn't even appear on Scottish banknotes.

You have pound banknotes?

I don't think Scotland would be part of the UK - any more than the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are. It might be a British Crown Dependency ...

[Serial_Apologist]

You have pound banknotes?

I don't think Scotland would be part of the UK - any more than the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are. It might be a British Crown Dependency ...

Or, for a cheaper version, a British Half Crown Dependency!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I think I'd be disappointed if Scotland were to leave the UK. We'd lose Rockall as well. I'ts been part of Scotland since 1972.