Is tripartisanship over the SNP's bid to retain the £ bullying?

[MrGongGong]

Just on the train returning from Scotland
and interesting times there
Many of the youngsters I met on this visit seem to have been convinced by the media that somehow everyone in England is now a supporter of the kippers (as we pull out of Arbroath ;-) ) and the best thing might be to get as far away as possible.

Dangerous times indeed.
As with those who voted for a personality without policies in the English elections some folks seem to think that crucial things like the currency will somehow "sort themselves out"
But many folks seem to regard being part of the EU a much more important than being part of GB, as one might be fooled into thinking that England is about to "leave" the EU then this does play into hands of the Yes folks......

[teamsaint]

Re the currency, perhaps many Scots think that the risk of some short term issues over currency are a price worth paying to escape from the grip of the City and powerful London based interests.
There is no reason on earth that the Scots can't create a viable functioning and affluent state. Lets face it, plenty of English people already look on enviously at some of the state provisions in Scotland.
My own opinion is that the endless threats of meltdown that have emanated from the great and the good may well have had the reverse effect to that intended, and galvanised support for independence.

[french frank]

There is no reason on earth that the Scots can't create a viable functioning and affluent state. Lets face it, plenty of English people already look on enviously at some of the state provisions in Scotland.

Indeed, there is a view that the ideal state should have population of less than 10 million, with possibly interesting consequences.

[teamsaint]

[QUOTE=french frank;406519]Indeed, there is a view that the ideal state should have population of less than 10 million, with possibly interesting consequences.
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Ah, I see. Bristol international airport as the next Heathrow would be a downside though?

Although I would tend to see Southampton as an Edinburgh style capital, with Briz as more of your Glasgow style biggest city.

(Portsmouth can go whatever sussex is in, they don't like Hampshire, or the county of Southampton as it was properly known, anyway.)

Still, I'll vote for it. Perhaps Bristol would get some decent public transport !!

[MrGongGong]

Re the currency, perhaps many Scots think that the risk of some short term issues over currency are a price worth paying to escape from the grip of the City and powerful London based interests.

humm
Keeping the pound (which is what is planned) means that the economy will be controlled by the Bank of England ?
Which is the bit I find hard to understand.......or maybe the word "Independence" means something else ?

Lets face it, plenty of English people already look on enviously at some of the state provisions in Scotland.

And some Scottish people and institutions do the same about some things in England (though many are being dismantled by the current bunch of crooks)

[Beef Oven!]

humm
Keeping the pound (which is what is planned) means that the economy will be controlled by the Bank of England ?

? indeed. Economics not your strong point?

[MrGongGong]

? indeed. Economics not your strong point?

I'm not an economist
but if we have Scottish Independence then if they keep the £ this will mean that the currency is controlled by the Bank of England
that's not very independent is it ?

[Beef Oven!]

I'm not an economist
but if we have Scottish Independence then if they keep the £ this will mean that the currency is controlled by the Bank of England
that's not very independent is it ?

You're chewing more than you've bitten off.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I'm not an economist
but if we have Scottish Independence then if they keep the £ this will mean that the currency is controlled by the Bank of England
that's not very independent is it ?

You are making the same assumption as the 3 main parties - that England own the pound. But Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do as well. There is already a Bank of Scotland.

[MrGongGong]

You are making the same assumption as the 3 main parties - that England own the pound. But Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do as well. There is already a Bank of Scotland.

Actually that's what the chairman of the Bank of England says
How can you be "Independent" and share the currency ?
He has said that it wont work and I guess it's HIS job to know

The other interesting thing is the English students fees issue
the only reason this hasn't been resolved is to do with the costs of the legal action
BUT if Scotland remains in the EU and is considered a separate country then they can't charge English students more than French ones (which is what happens at the moment and is what the SNP plan to do) .......

the only folks set to benefit will be lawyers

[JimD]

Ah, but Alex says he can:

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questions/are-you-confident-that-the-court-of-justice-of-the-eu-will-support-this-position-on-fees/

[MrGongGong]

Ah, but Alex says he can:
http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...ition-on-fees/

I think he might be in for a bit of a rude awakening (or do the endless stalling so it takes years to come to court which is hardly ethical or honourable)

Don't get me wrong
I think the romantic idea of being independent is a fine thing and consecutive Westminster parliaments have well and truly shafted Scotland in many areas BUT making things up to suit your argument is a bit foolish IMV

It's more than a little grubby

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26681897

[JimD]

Yes, the SNP does seem to take the view that the rest of the world will just fall in line. The rest of the uk may not have vote on independence but I don't think that what Alex Salmond likes to call 'the Westminster parties' would dare accept a currency union now. I'm not sure that some Scots quite realise that.

[MrGongGong]

Yes, the SNP does seem to take the view that the rest of the world will just fall in line. The rest of the uk may not have vote on independence but I don't think that what Alex Salmond likes to call 'the Westminster parties' would dare accept a currency union now. I'm not sure that some Scots quite realise that.

Why would they want one anyway ?
I thought the idea was to be independent ?

Have the Euro or a Scottish currency
though I was reading that if Scotland remained in the EU (which isn't certain either) the Scottish banks would, under EU rules, have to move to the territory where most of their dealings were done which is probably England.

[Flosshilde]

making things up to suit your argument is a bit foolish IMV

It's more than a little grubby

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-26681897

Making things up? What things?