The wisdom of Mr. Gove.

[Flosshilde]

Thanks JimD

I can't see much in that, that would be a threat to British society. And if the Islamic schools are doing the equivalent, I think they should be left to get on with running the schools as they wish. I'm sure I've missed something.

So entirely predictable. I would have thought that its view that homosexuality is a "learned behaviour" and its teaching of creationism instead of evolution. contravenes Gove's 'British values'. It's not a question of 'British society' (which includes Muslims, of course).

[Beef Oven!]

So entirely predictable. I would have thought that its view that homosexuality is a "learned behaviour" and its teaching of creationism instead of evolution. contravenes Gove's 'British values'. It's not a question of 'British society' (which includes Muslims, of course).

I'm not sure that its view on homosexuality and creationism are show-stoppers.

To me its view on homosexuality is wrong, pure and simple, but as an agnostic, I'm unsure about how the world became the world.

But I don't see how either of these things could be a threat to British society.

And for the avoidance of doubt, when I said "And if the Islamic schools are doing the equivalent, I think they should be left to get on with running the schools as they wish" I meant the Islamic schools should be left alone. You do of course realise that the Christian school ceased trading 14 years ago.

Please leave the ''so entirely predictable" stuff out. You might jump to conclusions and think I'm predictable and I might think that you are a prick. But it's best left out of these discussions.

[teamsaint]

Is believing in how some people interperet and teach Darwin's theories a british value?

Is intolerance of other peoples beliefs?

[Flosshilde]

I'm not sure that its view on homosexuality and creationism are show-stoppers.

To me its view on homosexuality is wrong, pure and simple, but as an agnostic, I'm unsure about how the world became the world.

But I don't see how either of these things could be a threat to British society.

It's not a question of a 'threat to British society'; it's a matter of upholding Gove's idea of 'British Values', which include "mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs", something the Academies sponsored by fundamentalist Christian groups clearly fail on.

What you, personally, believe is irrelevant - it's about what the schools teach and what Gove believes are 'fundamental British values'.

[amateur51]

I'm not sure that its view on homosexuality and creationism are show-stoppers.

Does the poster accept that the world is a mere 6,000 years old, as creationists teach?

Sadly the poster's views on equal marriage are all too well-known.

[Beef Oven!]

It's not a question of a 'threat to British society'; it's a matter of upholding Gove's idea of 'British Values', which include "mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs", something the Academies sponsored by fundamentalist Christian groups clearly fail on.

What you, personally, believe is irrelevant - it's about what the schools teach and what Gove believes are 'fundamental British values'.

The Islamic schools, according to some (including Gove) are a threat to 'British society'. That's what this is all about. It doesn't matter how Gove subsequently interprets British values for us.

What I believe is central to my beliefs, if you'll pardon the tautology. So it's highly relevant.

[Beef Oven!]

Is believing in how some people interperet and teach Darwin's theories a british value?

Is intolerance of other peoples beliefs?

That went over my head a bit ts , but it sounds interesting. Could you expand, or maybe put it another way?

[teamsaint]

That went over my head a bit ts , but it sounds interesting. Could you expand, or maybe put it another way?

Er um, I'll try, but it depended on my understanding that it was being suggested that teaching Darwinism instead of , for instance creationism, or some other set of beliefs , would be a British value. if that isnt the start point, then ignore what I posted.

if this IS a start point, I was just trying to point out that beliefs are notoriously fickle and changeable, and need great care, especially when being relayed to young minds.

So, Darwin wrote some important theories. How these might be interpreted and passed on , and how teachers deal with them, is tricky to say the least. I wonder how many classrom Junior school teachers have anything like a solid understanding of Darwin's work? (And I ask that respectfully).
Consider ones own beliefs 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago, and how they have changed.

As to intolerance of other peoples beliefs, well, that just follows on from the main point.

[Beef Oven!]

Er um, I'll try, but it depended on my understanding that it was being suggested that teaching Darwinism instead of , for instance creationism, or some other set of beliefs , would be a British value. if that isnt the start point, then ignore what I posted.

if this IS a start point, I was just trying to point out that beliefs are notoriously fickle and changeable, and need great care, especially when being relayed to young minds.

So, Darwin wrote some important theories. How these might be interpreted and passed on , and how teachers deal with them, is tricky to say the least. I wonder how many classrom Junior school teachers have anything like a solid understanding of Darwin's work? (And I ask that respectfully).
Consider ones own beliefs 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago, and how they have changed.

As to intolerance of other peoples beliefs, well, that just follows on from the main point.

Thanks, I've got it.

I think that the problem starts when people confuse beliefs with truths or facts, if you get my drift.

[teamsaint]

Thanks, I've got it.

I think that the problem starts when people confuse beliefs with truths or facts, if you get my drift.

I wish I had said it like that .

Although truth and facts arent always easy to pin down.......

[Beef Oven!]

Although truth and facts arent always easy to pin down.......

But you got my drift!

Yes, truth, facts, reality - all socially constructed, aren't they?

[teamsaint]

But you got my drift!

Yes, truth, facts, reality - all socially constructed, aren't they?

Ah, there you go, trying to catch folks out with your fancy words.......:)

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

young Gove on strike

[MrGongGong]

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[P. G. Tipps]

young Gove on strike

Seemingly backed by Riccardo Chailly ... ?