The wisdom of Mr. Gove.

[jean]

It sounds as though expectations at the comp had initially been too high rather than too low!

But what good would it have done to take them to see someone else doing what they'd failed to do? Surely what they needed was practical help long before it got to the stage where their musical had to be cancelled.

And I'm not sure funding doesn't play a part. When you can only afford people to teach the core subjects you've got to teach, you're very lucky if they happen to have the sorts of talent you need for organising and producing your school musicals as well.

I once taught in a state school which was renowned for the quality of its dramatic productions. It had a largely middle-class intake with (crucially) a lot of showbiz connexions. The school staff didn't have to do much.

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[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

a Gove chum

[jean]

He might have been very good as a head as well as being crook, of course.

[Gordon]

Even the best known, most famous and celebrated public school in the UK [I think!! at least Scotland, until independence anyway] doesn't necessarily get its act right!! What does the Ofsted look like here then???!

http://aolbroadband.welcomescreen.aol.co.uk/video/why-going-to-hogwarts-would-actually-suck/518112871/

Soorry about the obligatory advert but that's the private sector for you!!

[MrGongGong]

But what good would it have done to take them to see someone else doing what they'd failed to do? Surely what they needed was practical help long before it got to the stage where their musical had to be cancelled.

Absolutely
Rubbing peoples noses in things they might aspire to and not be able to achieve isn't going to spread the love is it ?

[ardcarp]

It sounds as though expectations at the comp had initially been too high rather than too low!

Jean, I don't believe you said that!! Can expectation ever be too high? Anyway, there were some extraordinarily talented kids there, many of whom had experience in local am dram. The shorcoming was entirely the fault of the so-called drama teachers, strong on expressing yourself as a pregnant tree, but with no idea of putting on a play...and no experience. Three weeks to go and no publicity to parents, no tickets, no costumes and no scenery.

Postscript to story; two local people (one musician, one producer..both CRBd and all that) offered to go in and resurrect the Musical, giving their time free of charge. I've seen their youth productions and they are brilliant.They were turned down by the Head because he thought the drama staff might be 'a bit put out'.

Aaaaarrrrggghh.

[MrGongGong]

Sounds like you are the real expert
why not come round and tell me how to wash up

(JOKE )

[Flosshilde]

http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2014/02/05/michael-gove-pincushion-on-sale-for-25-pounds/#!slide=aol_2185046

[Beef Oven!]

Gove is an easy target, but the truth of the matter is that he is growing in the job, and has got to grips with many of the issues that his predecessors flinched from. I'm no Tory, I have only voted for them in general elections 6 or 7 seven times, but credit where credit's due.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Gove is an easy target, but the truth of the matter is that he is growing in the job, and has got to grips with many of the issues that his predecessors flinched from.

Tosh. He's a bigger idiot now then when he started. Just as you think it can get no worse, it does.

[Beef Oven!]

Tosh. He's a bigger idiot now then when he started. Just as you think it can get no worse, it does.

Tosh my arse, thank you very much.

[MrGongGong]

Gove is an easy target, but the truth of the matter is that he is growing in the job, and has got to grips with many of the issues that his predecessors flinched from. I'm no Tory, I have only voted for them in general elections 6 or 7 seven times, but credit where credit's due.

Utter nonsense
Can you tell us what positive things he has done ?
People are often impressed by supposed 'common sense' from politicians
What issues ?
Maybe we need someone with ardcap's communication skills to tell us whats wrong ?

(Ha HA HA HA)

[Beef Oven!]

Utter nonsense
Can you tell us what positive things he has done ?
People are often impressed by supposed 'common sense' from politicians
What issues ?
Maybe we need someone with ardcap's communication skills to tell us whats wrong ?

(Ha HA HA HA)

Well for one, he's tackling poor performance. Two, he's on the money concerning curriculum review. If you get over your prejudice, you'll see he's doing a good job all-round.

[MrGongGong]

Well for one, he's tackling poor performance. Two, he's on the money concerning curriculum review. If you get over your prejudice, you'll see he's doing a good job all-round.

He isn't tacking 'poor performance' at all, because there isn't any discussion about what 'good performance' is!
A bit like the NPME (National Plan for Music Education) which goes on about MUSIC assuming we all mean the same thing when we use the word
Telling people they are shit (in the style of ardcap?) whilst at the same time refusing to acknowledge REAL research by people who DO know about education isn't helping anyone. And it doesn't inspire me with any confidence at all that he thinks that someone with NO experience at all should be teaching (you don't need any qualifications apart from a DBS check to teach in a "free" school!) maybe we should apply that to dentistry as well ? I'll have a go at his teeth if you like? Though I quite fancy doing a bit of airline piloting, can't be that hard if your man from Maiden can do it ?

So without a discussion of WHAT a curriculum should be (with a wider philosophical discussion about what education is for) messing about in an authoritarian way with what schools do whilst claiming that he is about some kind of "choice" is contradictory and bonkers.

It's not prejudice at all.
I thought you smokies were in favour of less Stalinist central control over things ?

He is an arrogant twat who believes in his own stories and surrounds himself with yesmen/women

[jean]

Jean, I don't believe you said that!! Can expectation ever be too high?

They can if you have no hope of realising them.

So many unanswered questions in your post.

The shorcoming was entirely the fault of the so-called drama teachers, strong on expressing yourself as a pregnant tree, but with no idea of putting on a play...and no experience.

So whose idea was it to put on a musical in the first place?