The wisdom of Mr. Gove.

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
    Well for one, he's tackling poor performance. Two, he's on the money concerning curriculum review. If you get over your prejudice, you'll see he's doing a good job all-round.
    No. He says he's doing these things, but as he refuses to consult with teachers on any topic whatever, he just causes chaos. Nearly everything he does is copied from someone else, but too late. Victorian methods; pension reform and performance management had been sorted out and implemented under Charles Clarke and it was working very well, but Nutter G. had to wreck in on order to show how Macho he wishes he was. Now he is tearing up Teachers Pay and Conditions bit by bit. I could go on (and probably will).

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    • MrGongGong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 18357

      This is essential reading IMV

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      • Beef Oven!
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        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
        Read that a while back. :-)

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37562

          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          "Most helpful customer reviews". You can say that again!

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
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            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
            BRILLIANT. I've just ordered a copy.

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            • MrGongGong
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              • Nov 2010
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              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
              BRILLIANT. I've just ordered a copy.
              Very good

              Now, I know you are a very well respected chap
              but what are we supposed to do about this?

              My concern is for the young people I meet every week
              voting ? not going to change anything at all.
              OR should we simply give up?

              Personally speaking, I think music is much more important than any of these fuckwits
              Politeness and respect don't seem to have got us anywhere, how does one engage with people who wont even have a conversation with people who really know about education?

              I'm not a teacher BUT most weeks I meet some extraordinary teachers (I might not share their taste in music or even agree with their politics) but am often in awe at the ability so many have to communicate, often with youngsters who have chaotic and disordered lives. THAT'S where my respect goes.

              But being at a loss is more than a little depressing

              (Todays work partly involves writing examples for a teachers resource for KS3 composition but am I just wasting my time? )





              take no notice really, I was 50 last week so it's probably that (now time to get on the Harley ? )

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              • Beef Oven!
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                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                Very good

                Now, I know you are a very well respected chap
                but what are we supposed to do about this?

                My concern is for the young people I meet every week
                voting ? not going to change anything at all.
                OR should we simply give up?

                Personally speaking, I think music is much more important than any of these fuckwits
                Politeness and respect don't seem to have got us anywhere, how does one engage with people who wont even have a conversation with people who really know about education?

                I'm not a teacher BUT most weeks I meet some extraordinary teachers (I might not share their taste in music or even agree with their politics) but am often in awe at the ability so many have to communicate, often with youngsters who have chaotic and disordered lives. THAT'S where my respect goes.

                But being at a loss is more than a little depressing

                (Todays work partly involves writing examples for a teachers resource for KS3 composition but am I just wasting my time? )





                take no notice really, I was 50 last week so it's probably that (now time to get on the Harley ? )
                Happy belated birthday, you old sod! ;-)

                You're not a teacher, Mr Chips!!!!!???

                And don't use the 'F' swear-word with Alpensyph, he'll complain and send it it off with the Combichrist video!!

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                • amateur51

                  Camila Batmanghelidj, the founder of Kids Company, comments on Gove's punishment plans.

                  Camila Batmanghelidjh: Children who can obey rules mostly do. Bad behaviour is often the result of maltreatment and neglect, the answer for which is better social care

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                  • MrGongGong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                    Happy belated birthday, you old sod! ;-)

                    You're not a teacher, Mr Chips!!!!!???

                    And don't use the 'F' swear-word with Alpensyph, he'll complain and send it it off with the Combichrist video!!
                    Teachers are people who have trained to be teachers
                    In spite of what Pob says
                    I'm a musician
                    I happen to work some of the time in Education
                    There is a difference

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                    • Beef Oven!
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                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      Teachers are people who have trained to be teachers
                      In spite of what Pob says
                      I'm a musician
                      I happen to work some of the time in Education
                      There is a difference

                      I know you're not a teacher, some tosser in here thinks you are, though Lol!!!

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                      • MrGongGong
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 18357

                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        I know you're not a teacher, some tosser in here thinks you are, though Lol!!!
                        I could teach Gove a thing or two though
                        This is your ARSE
                        This is your ELBOW

                        I'm not a teacher because much of what I do isn't really music (lol)

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                        • Beef Oven!
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                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          I could teach Gove a thing or two though
                          This is your ARSE
                          This is your ELBOW

                          I'm not a teacher because much of what I do isn't really music (lol)
                          Not the 'standard definition of music', you mean? ;-)

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                          • amateur51

                            Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                            Not the 'standard definition of music', you mean? ;-)
                            Or the standard definition of teaching, apparently.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37562

                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              Camila Batmanghelidj, the founder of Kids Company, comments on Gove's punishment plans.

                              http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ne-social-care
                              D'you know, I just love this woman?? If this were a republic I'd vote her President. Her organisation is just up the road from here. If there's any money left in my kitty when I go I can't at present think of a better place to leave it.

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                              • ardcarp
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11102

                                Responding to #89 and 90, the putting on of a school play or musical is an extra-curricular activity, but one which can galvanise many different talents...from both staff, parents and pupils in a school. There should be a tremendous buzz about the whole thing, and very often surprising qualities emerge from kids who have been shy or maybe disaffected in routine aspects of school. Speaking from my own experience as a kid, and from seeing my own kids and their friends throwing themselves into drama productions, there is probably nothing to look back on with such a sense of fulfilment.

                                A school which has not managed a production in living memory should fail its Ofsted IMO, however many boxes it has ticked.

                                Expectation is sadly lacking it seems. Expect a lot and you'll get a lot. Of course teachers should be qualified, but being qualified is surely a basic minimum requirement (like passing your driving test). Qualification of itself doesn't produce brilliant, inspired, talented teachers.

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